Not By Works

[BillG]

Referring to the post where someone said they have severe anxiety, then the BDF is NOT the forum you should be in.. I agree with those who say the BDF's threads cause too much stress..

Firstly I want to thank PJ. He PM'd last night and was loving and kind.
Also thanks to the people who have repsonded with love and kindness as well.

I wasn't expecting people to respond that was not my purpose.

Read the post I made and then further posts I made to responses.

It was two fold.

Being honest about the reality of life and where people are at. Being honest about how at this moment it affects me.
EG & Zi have been honest as well.

We don't know people on this forum, only what we think regarding what they say. Then we form an impression of whom we think they are.

I also wanted to see how those who bang on about being perfect, not sinning, and the rest of the stuff they peddle would react (please note I'm not saying we should neglect the call of Jesus to be like him, some seem to neglect that and just focus on what Paul says about the VILE, sins of the flesh)

I respectfully disagree with you. My anxiety does not increase on this forum.
I love being in the BDF and engaging, talking and listening and hopefully bringing something to the table.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yeah..... I wouldn't want to continue on either if I were you, & watch that scheme fall apart.

.........................!

 

[Grace777x70]

"hyper grace" is mans design that omits all of the truth of scriptures so plainly set forth such as these and the many others Just like them.




....................... This is just a pile of this..

 

[dcontroversal]

Firstly I want to thank PJ. He PM'd last night and was loving and kind.
Also thanks to the people who have repsonded with love and kindness as well.

I wasn't expecting people to respond that was not my purpose.

Read the post I made and then further posts I made to responses.

It was two fold.

Being honest about the reality of life and where people are at. Being honest about how at this moment it affects me.
EG & Zi have been honest as well.

We don't know people on this forum, only what we think regarding what they say. Then we form an impression of whom we think they are.

I also wanted to see how those who bang on about being perfect, not sinning, and the rest of the stuff they peddle would react (please note I'm not saying we should neglect the call of Jesus to be like him, some seem to neglect that and just focus on what Paul says about the VILE, sins of the flesh)

I respectfully disagree with you. My anxiety does not increase on this forum.
I love being in the BDF and engaging, talking and listening and hopefully bringing something to the table.

AMEN bro..........

 

[PeterJens]

If you read a threat into that....best just not reply anymore to me Peter......no sense in wasting my time or yours!!!!

End of story!

dc - I am glad you have a sense of humor, or maybe not.
The problem is you take simple interactions and make them like ww111.

This is just a forum for ideas, not a dueling competition.
And the biggest thing of all, you think this is a good use of your time.

 

[stonesoffire]

have noticed for quite some time your tolerance of many things and many false beliefs, but you seem to have no tolerance for them that live holy and righteous, its seems to really bother you, so much so, that you will feverishly commit yourself to arguing in favor of a biblical forgone conclusion of sin, of the which is the opposite of what scripture declares..You seem to be very intolerant of righteous people, even Job....therefore you try and make him into a sinner.....God said Job feared God and hated evil....one CANNOT hate evil and still be a partaker of evil, its impossible..
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Job went through a dark night of the soul experience and it changed him. He did fear but not the right kind of fear. If you notice, he did sacrifices for his sons in case they had sinned. And what did Job learn?

~Job's Confession and Repentance
Job 42:1　 Job replied to the LORD:
　
Job 42:2　 "I know that you can do anything and nothing that you plan is impossible.
　
Job 42:3　 You asked, 'Who is this that darkens counsel without knowledge?' Well now, I have talked about what I don't understand—awesome things beyond me that I don't know.
　
Job 42:4　 Listen now, and I will speak for myself; I'll interrogate you and then inform me.　


Job 42:5　 I've heard you with my ears; and now I've seen you with my eyes.
　
Job 42:6　 As a result, I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes."　

At the end...He knew God. And was restored. Not that Job was righteous...but God is right...eous.

 

[blue_ladybug]

But for many others, it DOES cause them great stress. Many many people have left this site due to the stress this forum has put on them. I have left here bawling many times, because of all the stress this place puts on me.. It affects me physically and that's not good. I'm truly glad though that you are not one of the people who gets stressed out in here.

Firstly I want to thank PJ. He PM'd last night and was loving and kind.
Also thanks to the people who have repsonded with love and kindness as well.

I wasn't expecting people to respond that was not my purpose.

Read the post I made and then further posts I made to responses.

It was two fold.

Being honest about the reality of life and where people are at. Being honest about how at this moment it affects me.
EG & Zi have been honest as well.

We don't know people on this forum, only what we think regarding what they say. Then we form an impression of whom we think they are.

I also wanted to see how those who bang on about being perfect, not sinning, and the rest of the stuff they peddle would react (please note I'm not saying we should neglect the call of Jesus to be like him, some seem to neglect that and just focus on what Paul says about the VILE, sins of the flesh)

I respectfully disagree with you. My anxiety does not increase on this forum.
I love being in the BDF and engaging, talking and listening and hopefully bringing something to the table.

 

[UnderGrace]

In case you missed my reply #16568..... my belief system is not flawed.

Never mind this topic is outlawed and it is not worth the effort to set the record straight.

Except to say...

Let God's word be true it is His Grace that is abounds not that His grace is hyper.

Whilst it is true that the term hyper is used in the original Geek text it is not referring to Grace itself but to the abundance of Grace. In Romans 5:20 Paul states:

But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

I never said the bible teaches against abundant grace. But it DOES NOT mention one word about HYPER grace. Grace is grace, pure and simple. You can't add to or take away from grace, just as we cannot add to or take away from what the bible says..

So if you believe in hyper grace, your belief system is flawed..

 

[Grace777x70]

It is true!

I have to get better at that too! As they say no point beating a dead horse.
Ultimately the Holy Spirit teaches and reveals.

Some days you want to be on the playground and join in on the fun, but when bullying and discord rules, it is better to walk away.

Happy Canada Day!!!

You can't stop them from mis-representing what is really being said but we can stop interacting with them. Malice has them in it's grip but the Lord will bring them out of it all. Thank God for the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross.

Happy Canada Day too. All the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord and this is happening in Canada too.

 

[blue_ladybug]

That's good, and yes I did miss your post..

In case you missed my reply #16568..... my belief system is not flawed.

 

[dcontroversal]

You can't stop them from mis-representing what is really being said but we can stop interacting with them. Malice has them in it's grip but the Lord will bring them out of it all. Thank God for the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross.

Happy Canada Day too. All the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord and this is happening in Canada too.

I try to give everybody the opportunity and when they continually twist, embellish, are dishonest, misrepresent the facts etc.....forget it....it is tragic that one must use the ignore button....but I must say it is one of the best options found and in all my years on here have now only ignored 2.......tragically I might add......

 

[willybob]

Tragic


Our goal

And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
2 Cor 3:18

Yes this is the goal most certainly........the opposition to this manifest reality is the image of the beast, which is the antichrist image in the imagination of men's minds (the bottomless pit of imagination) that forms an image of Christ that conforms to the beastly lusts of the flesh, the world, and the devil....

 

[Meggido]

Firstly I want to thank PJ. He PM'd last night and was loving and kind.
Also thanks to the people who have repsonded with love and kindness as well.

I wasn't expecting people to respond that was not my purpose.

Read the post I made and then further posts I made to responses.

It was two fold.

Being honest about the reality of life and where people are at. Being honest about how at this moment it affects me.
EG & Zi have been honest as well.

We don't know people on this forum, only what we think regarding what they say. Then we form an impression of whom we think they are.

I also wanted to see how those who bang on about being perfect, not sinning, and the rest of the stuff they peddle would react (please note I'm not saying we should neglect the call of Jesus to be like him, some seem to neglect that and just focus on what Paul says about the VILE, sins of the flesh)

I respectfully disagree with you. My anxiety does not increase on this forum.
I love being in the BDF and engaging, talking and listening and hopefully bringing something to the table.

Bill,
Did you start reading the scriptures I gave you yet?

 

[Burninglight]

On this note, I remember reading members getting angry and wanting to hit something
because of what they were reading. Or others saying what they wanted to write would
get them banned.

Some got so deeply hurt they never want to return. All of this is worrying.
Jesus brought safety through the cross, acceptance and forgiveness, a way of resolving
sin and sinful behaviour.

Now certain contributors, their whole ethic is to annoy and windup others and create
division so the "evil" ones show their hand as they would like to think. The real problem
is, it is they who are behaving after the flesh and not the Spirit.

But my brothers and sisters in Christ, Gods ends will always come about, and the more
we share and understand the word of God the more His gospel will come out, like light
on hill that cannot be hidden, Amen.

What have they said to make you feel this way? Did you know you can tell more about a person from what they say about others than what others say about them. Your judgment seems harsh; I don't understand it. What have they said or done to you or others for that matter to justify your comments; so far, I haven't seen them say anything that was unscriptural; what have you seen that I didn't see? Please explain your rationale.

 

[PeterJens]

Firstly I want to thank PJ. He PM'd last night and was loving and kind.
Also thanks to the people who have repsonded with love and kindness as well.

I wasn't expecting people to respond that was not my purpose.

Read the post I made and then further posts I made to responses.

It was two fold.

Being honest about the reality of life and where people are at. Being honest about how at this moment it affects me.
EG & Zi have been honest as well.

We don't know people on this forum, only what we think regarding what they say. Then we form an impression of whom we think they are.

I also wanted to see how those who bang on about being perfect, not sinning, and the rest of the stuff they peddle would react (please note I'm not saying we should neglect the call of Jesus to be like him, some seem to neglect that and just focus on what Paul says about the VILE, sins of the flesh)

I respectfully disagree with you. My anxiety does not increase on this forum.
I love being in the BDF and engaging, talking and listening and hopefully bringing something to the table.

On the anxiety issue, years ago I used to do door to door with a brother who had
panic attacks occasionally from how he had been brought up. It was from being
locked in a room as punishment.

What has surprised me is how widespread this experience actually is.

We are actually quite fragile, but want to appear as in control, defended and ok.
It is something that struck me about kids going from 16 years old to 18 years old.
Some never make the transition into adulthood.

I want to see this fragility met by the Lord and want to discover how to help
people experience this for themselves.

I know deep psychological structural changes in some people limit the possible,
but I know Christs love and healing overcomes many things and can work amazingly
in some peoples lives. So this is my passion, to see whole loving people walking
as bright lights in this world of darkness because of the treasure Jesus has put there.

I hope this is our shared goal, but I know some do not share this vision or even believe
it is either possible or worthwhile or even part of the gospel.

But that is my learning experience, but it does not change my desire to see more of
Christs work in us come to fruition.

 

[willybob]

Job went through a dark night of the soul experience and it changed him. He did fear but not the right kind of fear. If you notice, he did sacrifices for his sons in case they had sinned. And what did Job learn?

~Job's Confession and Repentance
Job 42:1　 Job replied to the LORD:
　
Job 42:2　 "I know that you can do anything and nothing that you plan is impossible.
　
Job 42:3　 You asked, 'Who is this that darkens counsel without knowledge?' Well now, I have talked about what I don't understand—awesome things beyond me that I don't know.
　
Job 42:4　 Listen now, and I will speak for myself; I'll interrogate you and then inform me.　


Job 42:5　 I've heard you with my ears; and now I've seen you with my eyes.
　
Job 42:6　 As a result, I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes."　

At the end...He knew God. And was restored. Not that Job was righteous...but God is right...eous.

Job was declared to be morally upright before God by God himself..Did he have sins of ignorance through which chastisement was necessary? Yes...I wonder haw many would remain as faithful and perfect as Job after suffering the same afflictions. i often ask this question of myself....be blessed

Job prayed for his sons who were celebrating their birthdays which promotes pride in the flesh...birthdays are mentioned only 3 times in the text, and all three times it was not a good ending....

 

[stonesoffire]

for willy..

~Isa_54:17
　 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

Rom 4:23　 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
　

Rom 4:24
　 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Luk_8:46　 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.

Add virtue to our faith...one place and in another? All of the divine is given unto us by the Spirit. We have all we need "in Him". Then we walk in it after we sit down with Him in those heavenly places.

It's not nice to post only parts of scripture.


　

 

[BillG]

Bill,
Did you start reading the scriptures I gave you yet?

Book marked them alongside others I have book marked in bible app.

I took my daughter to look at Bournemouth university.
Interesting because Bournemouth is where I lived with foster parents and that's when it all started.
Anyway once again thank you for posting the verses.

 

[willybob]

Job was repenting of his sins of ignorance that God revealed to him, (chastisement) he was not repenting of the vile sins of the flesh that he engaged not in...God does not chastise for willful rebellion, but rather has the Spirit convict 24/7...

 

[stonesoffire]

Job was declared to be morally upright before God by God himself..Did he have sins of ignorance through which chastisement was necessary? Yes...I wonder haw many would remain as faithful and perfect as Job after suffering the same afflictions. i often ask this question of myself....be blessed

Job prayed for his sons who were celebrating their birthdays which promotes pride in the flesh...birthdays are mentioned only 3 times in the text, and all three times it was not a good ending....

It says plainly in the text that he sacrificed for his sons in case they had sinned.

Job knew about God...but in the end He knows God.

And many Christians go through the dark night of the soul. Its a testing place to go higher. Higher in spiritual realms.