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AMEN on BECOMING OUTTA HERE!
The TREE is NOT ISRAEL, it is CHRIST HIMSELF, here is the proof:
John 15:4-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Remain in Me, and I in you. Just as a branch is unable to produce fruit by itself unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in Me.
[SUP]5[/SUP] “I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown aside like a branch and he withers. They gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
YES we are grafted in, and HERE IS HOW IT HAPPENS:
1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
WE ARE GRAFTED or IMMERSED into the spiritual Body of Christ.
Romans 11:24-26 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For if you were cut off from your native wild olive and against nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these—the natural branches—be grafted into their own olive tree?
[SUP]25 [/SUP] So that you will not be conceited, brothers, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery: A partial hardening has come to Israel until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written: The Liberator will come from Zion; He will turn away godlessness from Jacob.
Now if you read that whole chapter, it talks a lot about being grafted in, but it does not even mention ISRAEL until verse 24; and CLEARLY ISRAEL WILL BE grafted in TOO.
MESSIAH is their own Olive Tree!
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John 1:10-14 (NCV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The Word was in the world, and the world was made by him, but the world did not know him.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] He came to the world that was his own, but his own people did not accept him.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But to all who did accept him and believe in him he gave the right to become children of God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] They did not become his children in any human way—by any human parents or human desire. They were born of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The Word became a human and lived among us. We saw his glory—the glory that belongs to the only Son of the Father—and he was full of grace and truth.
Note the Wording in YOUNG'S LITERAL TRANSLATION:
John 1:12 (YLT)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God--to those believing in his name,
RECEIVED HIM AS WHAT? The Bible answers that too:
Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him,
Where do I get the term adopted sons or children of God from:
Romans 8:15-17 (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For ye received not the spirit of bondage again unto fear; but ye received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.
Heirs of GOD, not ERRORS of God's Covenant with Abraham to have ISRAEL INHERIT the Land of Canaan forever.
Ephesians 1:4-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For He chose us in Him, before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless in His sight. In love
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He predestined us to be adopted through Jesus Christ for Himself, according to His favor and will,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] to the praise of His glorious grace that He favored us with in the Beloved.
Galatians 4:4-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When the time came to completion, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] to redeem those under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”
Hello KJV1611,
Jesus cannot be the "He" in Dan.9:27 who causes the daily sacrifice to cease. You are simply misapplying scripture. Here is the scripture:
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the templehe will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
First of all, since there is no one specifically mentioned as to who the "He" is in the scripture above, grammatically speaking we must go back to that last person that was referred to, which is "the ruler" in verse 26, which says that "He" destroys the city and the sanctuary. Jesus did not do this and therefore he is not the ruler and therefore also not the "He" causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease.
Another reason why Jesus is not the "He" of the verse, is because this person sets up the abomination on a wing of the temple, which Jesus clarified in Matt.24:15 as "the holy place." The word "charagma" translated "abomination" is defined as "a reeking stench that goes up before God. It also infers idolatry. In the scripture the "He" performs three things:
1). Confirms a covenant with Israel for one seven year period
2). Causes the daily sacrifice and offerings to cease in the temple
3). Sets up the abomination in the holy place within the temple
Jesus did not make a seven year covenant with Israel. And if Jesus were to be the "He" of the verse, it would mean that he would also be the One to set up the abomination, which would mean that he would be blaspheming the Father and himself.
The "He" of the verse, is that ruler that is to come, that antichrist. After the church has been gathered, then antichrist will be revealed when he establishes that seven year covenant with Israel. 3 1/2 years later, he will go back on his agreement putting a stop to the sacrifices and setting up that abomination in the holy place, which will cause the desolation (emptying) of Jerusalem/Judea.
I strongly believe that the abomination spoken of in Dan.9:27, 12:11 and Matt.24:15, is synonymous with the image of the beast that the false prophet orders the inhabitants of the earth to make in honor of the first beast as described in Rev.13:14-15.
One thing that is for sure is that, Jesus is not the "He" of Dan.9:27
Jesus cannot be the "He" in Dan.9:27 who causes the daily sacrifice to cease. You are simply misapplying scripture. Here is the scripture:
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the templehe will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
First of all, since there is no one specifically mentioned as to who the "He" is in the scripture above, grammatically speaking we must go back to that last person that was referred to, which is "the ruler" in verse 26, which says that "He" destroys the city and the sanctuary. Jesus did not do this and therefore he is not the ruler and therefore also not the "He" causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease.
Another reason why Jesus is not the "He" of the verse, is because this person sets up the abomination on a wing of the temple, which Jesus clarified in Matt.24:15 as "the holy place." The word "charagma" translated "abomination" is defined as "a reeking stench that goes up before God. It also infers idolatry. In the scripture the "He" performs three things:
1). Confirms a covenant with Israel for one seven year period
2). Causes the daily sacrifice and offerings to cease in the temple
3). Sets up the abomination in the holy place within the temple
Jesus did not make a seven year covenant with Israel. And if Jesus were to be the "He" of the verse, it would mean that he would also be the One to set up the abomination, which would mean that he would be blaspheming the Father and himself.
The "He" of the verse, is that ruler that is to come, that antichrist. After the church has been gathered, then antichrist will be revealed when he establishes that seven year covenant with Israel. 3 1/2 years later, he will go back on his agreement putting a stop to the sacrifices and setting up that abomination in the holy place, which will cause the desolation (emptying) of Jerusalem/Judea.
I strongly believe that the abomination spoken of in Dan.9:27, 12:11 and Matt.24:15, is synonymous with the image of the beast that the false prophet orders the inhabitants of the earth to make in honor of the first beast as described in Rev.13:14-15.
One thing that is for sure is that, Jesus is not the "He" of Dan.9:27
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Yes, but it will probably take much more time to built the TEMPLE than anyone expected, because that old Temple Mount that Macabean leader called SIMON, order it torn down because it had been defiled, and therefore they used it as a rock quarry to fill in that Valley to the South. I am sure they will want it back up to it's original height when the Second Temple was there.
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The covenant obviously is to allow Israel to build her temple in order to begin to make offerings and sacrifices according to the Mosaic law. The fact that the scripture says that "He" causes the daily sacrifices and offerings to stop, would infer that sacrifices and offerings will have been going on during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. You can't put a stop to something that isn't taking place.
And the fact that in Matt.24:15 Jesus says "when you see standing in the "holy place" the abomination" it would demonstrate that the agreement would allow Israel to build their temple in which they will perform their sacrifices. The mention of the holy place would also demonstrate that the temple will sit on the original site of the holy of holies, because the holy place is the room just outside of the holy of holies.
And the fact that in Matt.24:15 Jesus says "when you see standing in the "holy place" the abomination" it would demonstrate that the agreement would allow Israel to build their temple in which they will perform their sacrifices. The mention of the holy place would also demonstrate that the temple will sit on the original site of the holy of holies, because the holy place is the room just outside of the holy of holies.
That ruler, the antichrist will be establishing that seven year covenant. He's the one making it. I'm quite aware of those who have attempted to distort the word "confirmed" in order to make it appear that someone else is making the covenant and that he is confirming it. So to be clear, the "He" in the verse is the one who will make the covenant and not confirming one that is already in place.
Sixty nine of the seventy sevens were fulfilled when the Messiah was cut off. God put that last seven on hold to be fulfilled in conjunction with the end of the age and began to build his church. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will descend and gather the church. Following that, God will pick up where he left off with that last seven years, where the "He" that antichrist will initiate God's last seven years by establishing that seven year covenant.
Sixty nine of the seventy sevens were fulfilled when the Messiah was cut off. God put that last seven on hold to be fulfilled in conjunction with the end of the age and began to build his church. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will descend and gather the church. Following that, God will pick up where he left off with that last seven years, where the "He" that antichrist will initiate God's last seven years by establishing that seven year covenant.
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I think you didn't understand. There is only one catholic church. When I say catholic, I mean it as the true meaning of the word "catholic" which means universal. That means exactly there is only one church and it is universal; yes, some are in the Roman Catholic Church, but I wasn't talking about the Catholic Church per se that is why I use a lower case for catholic. there are some saved people in Christian cults too. God's church is all over the world and one day we'll be together worshipping the Lord in perfect love and unity.
Below are most of the major translations. You will see that the "He" of the verse is not confirming and already existing agreement, but is the one making the covenant. By the way, to "confirm a covenant" does not infer that it is an existing covenant. To confirm one, also means to make it or establish it.
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
New Living Translation
The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
English Standard Version
And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
New American Standard Bible
"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
King James Bible
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."
International Standard Version
He will make a binding covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he will suspend both the sacrifice and grain offerings. Destructive people will cause desolation on the pinnacle until it is complete and what has been decreed is poured out on the desolator.'"
NET Bible
He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. But in the middle of that week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt. On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys."
New Heart English Bible
He shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who destroys, and even until a complete destruction, until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys."
GOD'S WORD® Translation
He will confirm his promise with many for one set of seven time periods. In the middle of the seven time periods, he will stop the sacrifices and food offerings. This will happen along with disgusting things that cause destruction until [those time periods] come to an end. It has been determined that this will happen to those who destroy [the city]."
JPS Tanakh 1917
And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.'
New American Standard 1977
“And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”
Jubilee Bible 2000
In one week (they are now seventy) he shall confirm the covenant by many: and at the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and because of the many abominations, desolation shall come, even until complete destruction shall be poured out upon the abominable people.
King James 2000 Bible
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
American King James Version
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured on the desolate.
American Standard Version
And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations'shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Darby Bible Translation
And he shall confirm a covenant with the many [for] one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and because of the protection of abominations [there shall be] a desolator, even until that the consumption and what is determined shall be poured out upon the desolate.
English Revised Version
And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and for the half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the consummation, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolator.
Webster's Bible Translation
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
World English Bible
He shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and on the wing of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate; and even to the full end, and that determined, shall [wrath] be poured out on the desolate.
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
New Living Translation
The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
English Standard Version
And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
New American Standard Bible
"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
King James Bible
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."
International Standard Version
He will make a binding covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he will suspend both the sacrifice and grain offerings. Destructive people will cause desolation on the pinnacle until it is complete and what has been decreed is poured out on the desolator.'"
NET Bible
He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. But in the middle of that week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt. On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys."
New Heart English Bible
He shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who destroys, and even until a complete destruction, until the decreed end is poured out on the one who destroys."
GOD'S WORD® Translation
He will confirm his promise with many for one set of seven time periods. In the middle of the seven time periods, he will stop the sacrifices and food offerings. This will happen along with disgusting things that cause destruction until [those time periods] come to an end. It has been determined that this will happen to those who destroy [the city]."
JPS Tanakh 1917
And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.'
New American Standard 1977
“And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”
Jubilee Bible 2000
In one week (they are now seventy) he shall confirm the covenant by many: and at the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and because of the many abominations, desolation shall come, even until complete destruction shall be poured out upon the abominable people.
King James 2000 Bible
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
American King James Version
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured on the desolate.
American Standard Version
And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations'shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Darby Bible Translation
And he shall confirm a covenant with the many [for] one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and because of the protection of abominations [there shall be] a desolator, even until that the consumption and what is determined shall be poured out upon the desolate.
English Revised Version
And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and for the half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the consummation, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolator.
Webster's Bible Translation
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
World English Bible
He shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and on the wing of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate; and even to the full end, and that determined, shall [wrath] be poured out on the desolate.
Below is the definition of the word "gabar" translated "confirmed" in some translations. The word is translated "confirmed" in only a couple of translations. I suggest that you look at the other translations, like the ESV, NASB and NLT for starters.
Strong's Concordance
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: gabar
Phonetic Spelling: (gaw-bar')
Short Definition: prevailedNAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to be strong, mighty
NASB Translation
become (1), conducts himself arrogantly (1), exert (1), great (2), magnified (1), make a firm (1), prevail (5), prevailed (9), strengthen (2), stronger (1), surpassed (1
Strong's Concordance
gabar: to be strong, mighty
Original Word: גָּבַרPart of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: gabar
Phonetic Spelling: (gaw-bar')
Short Definition: prevailedNAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to be strong, mighty
NASB Translation
become (1), conducts himself arrogantly (1), exert (1), great (2), magnified (1), make a firm (1), prevail (5), prevailed (9), strengthen (2), stronger (1), surpassed (1
Really? You want to go with that? That sounds like desperation. I'm not reading an antichrist Bible, but am looking at all of the translations and the interlinear. The KJV is not the best translation, but the Greek from which it is derived is better. It is also good to compare the other major translations. We have much better translations that the KJV.
By the way, the Interlinear says "He shall confirm the covenant with many," i.e. he's the one making the covenant.
By the way, the Interlinear says "He shall confirm the covenant with many," i.e. he's the one making the covenant.
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That sounds right to me. I believe the covenant he confirms is the Abrahamic one. When he sets up the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel in the midst of the week (7 year period) that is when the antichrist will claim to be God. The Jews will realize he is the messiah they thought.
Satan is an imitator. Like The word was made flesh (Jesus ) Satan will be manifested in the flesh as well (The Son of perdition) He dies like Christ and rises from the dead; he does supernatural wonders so that the world will wonder after him. He'll insist that all received the mark of the beast during the last 3.5 years of the week.
Christians will be persecuted and martyred some will flee into the wilderness and survive, but God will shorten that time of Jacobs troubles otherwise no flesh should survive. The antichrist will wear out the saints of the most high and think to change the times and the laws and they will be given into his hand for a time, times and divided time (3.5 years).The fiery witnesses will be helping us, but the antichrist will eventually destroy them too, but they will rise again this could be when we are gathered with them to meet the Lord in the air and be changed in the blink of an eye.
Satan is an imitator. Like The word was made flesh (Jesus ) Satan will be manifested in the flesh as well (The Son of perdition) He dies like Christ and rises from the dead; he does supernatural wonders so that the world will wonder after him. He'll insist that all received the mark of the beast during the last 3.5 years of the week.
Christians will be persecuted and martyred some will flee into the wilderness and survive, but God will shorten that time of Jacobs troubles otherwise no flesh should survive. The antichrist will wear out the saints of the most high and think to change the times and the laws and they will be given into his hand for a time, times and divided time (3.5 years).The fiery witnesses will be helping us, but the antichrist will eventually destroy them too, but they will rise again this could be when we are gathered with them to meet the Lord in the air and be changed in the blink of an eye.
Hello, I agree with most everything you said, except that the church will not be here. "The Christians" that will be persecuted and martyred, will be those great tribulation saints introduced in Rev.7:9-17. The church will have already been gathered as represented in Rev.4:1 when John hears that voice like a trumpet saying "come up here."
If the church was to be here at the end when Christ returns to end the age, then it would put the living church through the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is the wrath of God and which we are not appointed to suffer.
If the church was to be here at the end when Christ returns to end the age, then it would put the living church through the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is the wrath of God and which we are not appointed to suffer.