Not By Works

[PeterJens]

Do you agree with all the observations made about you?
According to what you have just said they are not wrong.

As usual you make little to no sense. When will you take action to change this?

The problem is the person trapped in the logic cannot see the way out or the trap, which
is why they are in it.

The question is, does Jesus's love drive you to action or reassurance.

A clue is in this statement.

I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first.
Rev 2:4-5

When you fall in love you can fly, conquer the world and nothing else matters.
This is not rest or passivity, but celebration and preparation for the work of the
King.

It is this Jesus sees in His people and I trust in those who know Him here.
I have to wonder at this experience in some, because from the expressions it is
more like a sad resolution of compromise, not yahoo, I am free, Halleluyah, the
Lord has saved me.

Think of Mary Magdelene and washing Jesus's feet and anointing His head.

It was a flow of love, a gift of grace and gratitude.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I will also add, that he is not taking offense directly at me, nor do I feel offended or that it is directed at me. He takes offense because he knows deep down in his spirit that there is more to the way than what he is experiencing......this is how it starts for people.

No, I am taking offense to being told I believe something I do not

I am trying to share with you what I believe, But you refuse to hear.

I had this last week with someone trying to tell us that Grace777 did not think God rebuked his children when they sinned,, Now I have to listen to you tell me and people I worry about sin

I thought this was a bible discussion forum, not lets tell people what they believe forum?

 

[stonesoffire]

Good.. lol..

I was just making a comment because Stones said that "we will be what we believe".. If we believe we're a child of God, then that's what we'll be. Although many believe they are a child of God, but in fact are not..

Not what I said Blue...

Sin conscious versus righteousness conscious. If we believe we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus...truly believe this...our actions match. Because out of the heart the mouth speaks.

 

[blue_ladybug]

To the ones who believe they do not sin, you are all in eternal danger..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I said the very same thing stones said EG....you just do not want to receive from me and that is fine....

I do not assume with people.......their calling, sending and lives are far to important to...

Nobody has to know or assume what you believe EG, you lay it pretty bare for all to see.....

wow.

Keep thinking this man, You accused me of all kinds of stuff which were not true.

As for what Stone said, I said I believed what she said, Just like I tell you alot of what you say I believe, But you do not want to hear it,

You want to keep on thinking I believe those things thats fine, and thats on you

You want to find out what I actually believe and discuss it, Come talk.

 

[stonesoffire]

Tell that to david, A murderer. And wife stealer.

You do not think people of God if tempted can do some prety bad things, And you think you are free from them, You are putting yourself in danger.

David wasn't born again.

We are born again...Sons of God. And Holy Spirit takes on the job of being Teacher. That is what I am talking about. My will has been crucified with Christ. I may not of known it for some time after my new birth...but nevertheless...is true.

 

[stonesoffire]

here we go again...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not what I said Blue...

Sin conscious versus righteousness conscious. If we believe we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus...truly believe this...our actions match. Because out of the heart the mouth speaks.

So if you do this you will be perfect and not sin?

 

[Meggido]

wow.

Keep thinking this man, You accused me of all kinds of stuff which were not true.

You want to keep on thinking I believe those things thats fine, and thats on you

You want to find out what I actually believe and discuss it, Come talk.

I did not accuse you of anything...

 

[stonesoffire]

Back to the topic or we all will be arguing off topic.

Dcon...is your thread. take control...lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

David wasn't born again.

We are born again...Sons of God. And Holy Spirit takes on the job of being Teacher. That is what I am talking about. My will has been crucified with Christ. I may not of known it for some time after my new birth...but nevertheless...is true.

David was called a man after Gods heart. David understood the law did not save him or help him be good.

The holy spirit chastens you when you sin, why would he have to chasten you if you do not sin (God had a prophet chasten david, David also begged God not to remove his holy spirit from him, Or did you forget that)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

here we go again...

Yeah here we go again, We can not discuss things because people do not want to listen.

 

[stonesoffire]

I can't do the quote and reply thingy...computer is acting up again.

EG

We will sin less and is what Meggido just said. Overcoming becomes our way of life.

Not of sweat...but by the power of Holy Spirit.

 

[stonesoffire]

Ariel isn't here right now to soften the blows. It's misunderstanding one another. We all are of different backgrounds, and have had different teachings. We just need to slowly read what we each are saying. And pray...

 

[notuptome]

David wasn't born again.

We are born again...Sons of God. And Holy Spirit takes on the job of being Teacher. That is what I am talking about. My will has been crucified with Christ. I may not of known it for some time after my new birth...but nevertheless...is true.

So what is the Spiritual status of David? Was David imputed righteousness in place of his iniquity?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[blue_ladybug]

You're missing my point, Stones. We DO still sin from time to time.. In word, deed, gesture.. etc.. I know you don't want to believe that, but it's true..

Not what I said Blue...

Sin conscious versus righteousness conscious. If we believe we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus...truly believe this...our actions match. Because out of the heart the mouth speaks.

 

[stonesoffire]

So what is the Spiritual status of David? Was David imputed righteousness in place of his iniquity?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

He sacrificed didn't he?

 

[Meggido]

So if you do this you will be perfect and not sin?

Here is a thought...give it a try for 1 week and come back and tell us what it did for you...

Repeat 2 Cor 5.21 to yourself over and over....that is true renewal of your mind...

[SUP]21 [/SUP]He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]He made Jesus who knew no sin to be sin on MY behalf, so that I might become the righteousness of God in Him.<<<<<say it this way EG....

Now be careful here, you might just get a major breakthrough in your life....

Stop debating about it and do it....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did not accuse you of anything...

1.. You accused me of following the sin conscious doctrine

This is not true, sorry....you are not helpless over sinning.......this is a lie from hell to keep you in bondage and is refuted in scripture.


PS....you seem to be working very hard to stay in things so you will not sin.... yet you tell us salvation is not work...None of the things you are staying in keep you from sinning....enabling grace and renewing your mind to the word of God does

Please list the verses that say staying in:
Fellowship
Discipleship
being accountable for your sins and keeping your old man alive keeps you from not sinning....

This is Sin-consciousness doctrine, which is an even greater false doctrine than works based salvation...it teaches people SIN is a action they are helpless over...not a choice.....Satan loves this doctrine, because it puts the effort on the person, not put them into the rest of Jesus.

2. I tried to show you you were wrong, But instead of trying to resolve the issue, you went further.

Originally Posted by Meggido

My comments my seem harsh but are in love. EG is on the right track. That said, there is a condition in the body today, especially in sin-consciousness doctrine that I cannot help myself and have no control over sin, what my heart wants to do I cannot do , so I place the total responsibility for renewal and change on God...I only do my part by taking the gift of salvation and do practical things like accountability groups, small groups, staying fellowship.....

3. Then you accused me of not taking on the whole new creation in christ

This is not taught in the bible at all. If EG were to really grab a hold of his new creation in Christ and see himself as God does, he would flourish more than he has....

4. Then you accused me of not knowing the hope of my calling.

I pray that the Father , will give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him, I pray the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of your calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward you who believe

All of which are lies based on what you THINK I BELIEVE, and non of them are true

I am sure I can find more,, Now,, Would you like to discuss? Or continue wiht this nonsense?

 

[stonesoffire]

Blue

If you had followed my posts here...you would know that I believe that the very fact that we are human means we are sin. It's our nature.

That is put to death with the Cross of Jesus...and we are risen with His nature. But, in spirit...which then needs to overflow into our soul and mind. Takes time...probably all our life.

I never for once said we don't sin...we miss the mark of the glory of God every day just be being alive. Until we change..and am speaking of going from mortal to immortal.