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Can faith without works save you?(james2:14-26)
Can faith without love save you?(1cor13:2, 1john5:2-3)
Can faith without hope save you?(rom8:24,heb11:1)
Can faith without God's grace & mercy save you?(eph2:8-9, titus3:5)
Are the mentally retarded/sick, little children who died young without knowing what faith is, not saved?
Will you be saved without forgiveness, obedience, repentance, confession that Jesus is Lord,humility, etc.?(mat6:14-15, rom6:16, 2john1:6, rom10:9, 2cor7:10, 1pet5:5).
Of course it depends on who or what you put you faith in. Remember God is the one who has to do the work through us and even put the will to do according to what he wants from us and not us leaning to our own understanding.
Almost a year passed but you still insist on doctrines which are not in the bible but are clearly man-made doctrines and you only cause division in the church..
I haven't been here that long, but I can tell from this short time DC has been spot on Scripturally.
I urge you to stop this deception and repent. I ask for forgiveness to whoever i may have done wrong as i forgive those who sinned against me. May God forgive us of our sins..
Being saved by God's grace through faith which is not of ourselves is not deception; it is the gospel!
Ephesians 4:13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Unity without truth profits no one. Those that are mature in the fullness of Christ know that it is only what God does through us that matters and not what we do for him. It is the difference between Cain and Able. Both of them were believers. There are some on this forum that might be saved, but they'll be suffering loss if they continue kicking against the bricks
 
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A "sincere faith" is total faith in Christ's work alone without "our works" mixed in "in order" to save ourselves. We live by Christ's finished work alone. That is a sincere faith.

G777, who are these people who believe they must have works to obtain salvation?

I will personally do a public posting to them, using the scriptures to show them this isn't so. If that doesn't work, I'll do an expose' of these people & report them to the Admins. This issue needs to be dealt with.

 
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you know the biggest ignored reality? that one is sinless and perfect. every one who names the name of Christ goal should be not to sin. we all fall short of that goal. you too. you just , as you said here, ignore reality.
gb9 - You have to talk about sin in the specifics here. Do we go out and murder people everyday,
commit adultery, steal, lie, dishonour our parents, bear false witness, covert objects then we are
doing good. So what are you talking about. Until you come clean, you are talking fictional issues,
and not reality. Do you resist sin unto the point of death? Do you know how to walk in purity and
holiness? Now anyone can say, no one can walk perfectly, and I mean put one foot in front of the
other and not stumble. But they can and they do every day. Because the failure is when you fall
to the ground. Now once you know failing at walking is falling to the ground, you can then have
confidence that you walk perfectly.

And I am talking here about physically walking. So defining definitions matters, unless you game
is to accept real sinful failure, issues that one cannot bring into the light, that are hidden and one
wants to keep going. So I have given up falling for your approximations.

Which sins are you a slave to? And if none, you walk righteously. That is the point of faith and
knowing Christ and love. It is that transparent and truthful.
 
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I love g7, he walks perfectly, does not sin and has real victory in Christ.

Amen brother, welcome. Not sure why you keep on condemning people and reacting
like they are evil and of the enemy, but then if you cannot walk in the light about this
we will never know.

Is there actually something you are not sharing that your conscience is always telling
you about, that makes you enemies of those who talk about their walk and their love
of Christ?

Just wandering? By the way I have no malice or deceit about anything, in case you
were wondering. :)

John says this

No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:12
 
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1 Timothy 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

The "good conscience" is one that believes the gospel message that all your sins are forgiven and your sins are as far from you as the east is from the west. The "good conscience" is one that has had this happen. They believe that all sins are taken care of in Christ's work - this doesn't mean we will want to sin all we want. It does the complete opposite of what our humanistic religious minds think.
This makes me laugh. When you have to start to define what a good conscience is or is not,
I think you have lost the understanding of life.

Our conscience tells us when things are ok, or we need to do something about it.
Most alive healthy human beings have a conscience, and we know if it is causing us a problem
or it is good. If you have to start to define what is ok for your conscience, there is something
very wrong. Paul just assumes we all know what a conscience is like and he says even if your
conscience says everything is ok, it does not mean it is, God is the judge in the end.

I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit—
Rom 9:1

So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.
Acts 24:16

My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
1 Cor 4:4
 
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By Ray Pritchard on May 17, 2017 12:11 am

A cartoon from the Wall Street Journal shows a man walking up a set of stairs toward the gate of heaven. Above the gate is a sign with two words: “No Deals.” This time the Journal got it absolutely right. God makes no deals when it comes to heaven. You either enter by way of the cross of Christ or you don’t enter at all.
AMEN to this one Bill HAHAHA such simple truth..........many will try to deal....LORD, LORD did we not do many wonderful works in your name.......
 
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G777, who are these people who believe they must have works to obtain salvation?

I will personally do a public posting to them, using the scriptures to show them this isn't so. If that doesn't work, I'll do an expose' of these people & report them to the Admins. This issue needs to be dealt with.

G777, anybody, who are these people?
 

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Of course it depends on who or what you put you faith in. Remember God is the one who has to do the work through us and even put the will to do according to what he wants from us and not us leaning to our own understanding.
I haven't been here that long, but I can tell from this short time DC has been spot on Scripturally.
Being saved by God's grace through faith which is not of ourselves is not deception; it is the gospel!
Unity without truth profits no one. Those that are mature in the fullness of Christ know that it is only what God does through us that matters and not what we do for him. It is the difference between Cain and Able. Both of them were believers. There are some on this forum that might be saved, but they'll be suffering loss if they continue kicking against the bricks
.

SOME PEOPLE SAY & CLAIM:

Faith ALONE saves

Once saved, ALWAYS saved

Any sort of work is not necessary for salvation even OUR OBEDIENCE TO GOD.

We just have to believe and GOD WILL DO EVERYTHING.

They already possess their salvation.

Our sins in the past present & future were already forgiven.

SIN is IRRELEVANT and has BEEN DEALT with at the cross....

SIN is SIN is SIN ...FORGIVEN is FORGIVEN…

Works are works are
works
ALL of the sins
would EVER commit
were nailed to the
cross in CHRIST the
day I believed (as far
as the condemnation
of the law is
concerned) after
SALVATION
(BIBLICALLY by
FAITH and GRACE
void of HUMAN
EFFORT OR
WORKS of
righteousness)

THE BIBLE SAYS:

Faith without works is DEAD.(james 2:26)

We are justified by what we do and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.(james 2:24)

Faith and actions are WORKING TOGETHER.(james 2:22)

Faith without LOVE is vain.(1 cor 13:2)

Faith without hope is not faith.(rom 8:24,heb 11:1)

What is important is FAITH THAT WORKETH IN LOVE.(gal 5:6)

let us not love in word, neither in tongue, but in DEED and in TRUTH.(1 john 3:18)

But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you CONFESS with your mouth, “JESUS IS LORD,” and BELIEVE in your heart that GOD RAISED HIM from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are JUSTIFIED, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are SAVED.(rom 10:8-10)

How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And HOW CAN THEY HEAR WITHOUT SOMEONE “PREACHING” TO THEM? And how can they preach unless they are SENT? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”(rom 10:14-15)

Consequently, FAITH COMES FROM HEARING THE MESSAGE , and the message is heard through the word of Christ.(rom 10:17)

1 Corinthians 12:6,11 There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and HE GIVES THEM to each one, just as he determines.

I tell you the truth, anyone WHO HAS FAITH in me WILL DO what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.(john 14:12)

1 Timothy 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, YOU WILL SAVE both yourself and your hearers.

We are the FELLOW WORKERS OF GOD.(1 cor 3:9

To BELIEVE in the one that the Father sent is the WORK God requires for men to do(john 6:28)

To LOVE ONE ANOTHER is obedience to God’s commands and is the LOVE FOR GOD.(1 john 5:1-3, 3:23)

Whoever claims to live in him must WALK AS JESUS DID.(1 john 2:6)

...unto good works... THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.(eph 2:10)

...now that he has died as a ransom TO SET THEM FREE FROM THE SINS COMMITTED UNDER THE FIRST COVENANT.(heb 9:15)

And ye shall be hated by all men for My name’s sake, but HE THAT ENDURETH TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED.(mat 10:22)

Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face JUDGMENT, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but TO BRING SALVATION to those who are WAITING FOR HIM.

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. AFTER HE HAD PROVIDED PURIFICATION FOR SINS, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering He hath PERFECTED FOREVER those who are SANCTIFIED

Philippians 3:12-16 NOT that I have ALREADY OBTAINED all this, or have ALREADY been MADE PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself YET to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us LIVE UP to what we have already ATTAINED.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of THE CHURCH, HIS BODY, OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.


1 Corinthians 2:13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

1 Corinthians 4:5-7 Therefore JUDGE NOTHING before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will EXPOSE THE MOTIVES OF MEN’S HEARTS. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying,”DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you BOAST as though you did not?

1 Corinthians 14:36-38 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

-- CAN A PERSON BE SAVED WITHOUT GOD’S FORGIVENESS OF HIS SINS?

-- IS ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS AND FORGIVING SOMEONE NOT GOOD WORKS AND HAS NO BEARING IN OUR SALVATION?

Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

-- BY CLAIMING THAT IT IS GOD WHO WORKS IN AND THRU US,(phil 2:13, rom 8:28), IS IT JUST AND RIGHTEOUS TO SAY AND CLAIM THAT “FAITH ALONE SAVES VOID OF ANY SORT OF WORKS?”

-- IF IT IS GOD & THE HOLY SPIRIT WORKING IN AND THRU US(1 cor 12:6 & 11), ARE YOU NOT GUILTY OF BLASPHEMY AND OF REJECTING THE TRUTH BY SAYING THAT WORKS OF ANY SORT DON’T SAVE WHEN IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT NO BELIEVER CAN DO ANYTHING GOOD WITHOUT THE LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?

-- CAN ANYONE BE SAVED THRU FAITH WITHOUT ANYONE PREACHING TO THEM THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION?

-- IS PREACHING, TEACHING, CONFESSING, BELIEVING, REPENTING, BAPTIZING, WITNESSING,OBEYING, LOVING, FORGIVING, ETC...
NOT WORKS OF THE SPIRIT IN AND THRU US, WORKS OF SERVICE WE WERE PREPARED IN ADVANCE TO DO AND TO WALK ON?(eph 2:10)

Ephesians 4:12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.

-- WHO THEN WILL BE SENT TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT ?

-- IS IT THE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANTS (WORKERS OF THE FAITH) OR THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH ALONE(VOID OF WORKS)?

Matthew 25:21,30 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

And throw that WORTHLESS SERVANT outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Matthew 25:45-46 “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever YOU DID NOT DO for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then THEY WILL GO AWAY TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, but the righteous to eternal life.”

1 Corinthians 5:11-13 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with ANYONE WHO CALLS HIMSELF A BROTHER but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “EXPEL THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOU.”

Romans 11:20-22 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. DO NOT BE ARROGANT, BUT BE AFRAID. For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE WILL NOT SPARE YOU either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, PROVIDED that you CONTINUE in his kindness. Otherwise, YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF.

1 Corinthians 15:55-58 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers, STAND FIRM. Let nothing move you. ALWAYS GIVE YOURSELVES FULLY TO THE WORK OF THE LORD, because you know that YOUR LABOR in the Lord is NOT IN VAIN
 
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None of the verses you posted (some subtly and out of context or not quoted) do not teach that works save anyone.....the bible is clear....It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE....<----do you not understand that word.....? HE that BELIEVES on the SON is having everlasting LIFE<---do you not understand belief.....it seems NOT!

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SOME PEOPLE SAY & CLAIM:

Faith ALONE saves

Once saved, ALWAYS saved

Any sort of work is not necessary for salvation even OUR OBEDIENCE TO GOD.

We just have to believe and GOD WILL DO EVERYTHING.

They already possess their salvation.

Our sins in the past present & future were already forgiven.

SIN is IRRELEVANT and has BEEN DEALT with at the cross....

SIN is SIN is SIN ...FORGIVEN is FORGIVEN…

Works are works are
works
ALL of the sins
would EVER commit
were nailed to the
cross in CHRIST the
day I believed (as far
as the condemnation
of the law is
concerned) after
SALVATION
(BIBLICALLY by
FAITH and GRACE
void of HUMAN
EFFORT OR
WORKS of
righteousness)

THE BIBLE SAYS:

Faith without works is DEAD.(james 2:26)

We are justified by what we do and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.(james 2:24)

Faith and actions are WORKING TOGETHER.(james 2:22)

Faith without LOVE is vain.(1 cor 13:2)

Faith without hope is not faith.(rom 8:24,heb 11:1)

What is important is FAITH THAT WORKETH IN LOVE.(gal 5:6)

let us not love in word, neither in tongue, but in DEED and in TRUTH.(1 john 3:18)

But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you CONFESS with your mouth, “JESUS IS LORD,” and BELIEVE in your heart that GOD RAISED HIM from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are JUSTIFIED, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are SAVED.(rom 10:8-10)

How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And HOW CAN THEY HEAR WITHOUT SOMEONE “PREACHING” TO THEM? And how can they preach unless they are SENT? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”(rom 10:14-15)

Consequently, FAITH COMES FROM HEARING THE MESSAGE , and the message is heard through the word of Christ.(rom 10:17)

1 Corinthians 12:6,11 There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and HE GIVES THEM to each one, just as he determines.

I tell you the truth, anyone WHO HAS FAITH in me WILL DO what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.(john 14:12)

1 Timothy 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, YOU WILL SAVE both yourself and your hearers.

We are the FELLOW WORKERS OF GOD.(1 cor 3:9

To BELIEVE in the one that the Father sent is the WORK God requires for men to do(john 6:28)

To LOVE ONE ANOTHER is obedience to God’s commands and is the LOVE FOR GOD.(1 john 5:1-3, 3:23)

Whoever claims to live in him must WALK AS JESUS DID.(1 john 2:6)

...unto good works... THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.(eph 2:10)

...now that he has died as a ransom TO SET THEM FREE FROM THE SINS COMMITTED UNDER THE FIRST COVENANT.(heb 9:15)

And ye shall be hated by all men for My name’s sake, but HE THAT ENDURETH TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED.(mat 10:22)

Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face JUDGMENT, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but TO BRING SALVATION to those who are WAITING FOR HIM.

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. AFTER HE HAD PROVIDED PURIFICATION FOR SINS, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering He hath PERFECTED FOREVER those who are SANCTIFIED

Philippians 3:12-16 NOT that I have ALREADY OBTAINED all this, or have ALREADY been MADE PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself YET to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us LIVE UP to what we have already ATTAINED.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of THE CHURCH, HIS BODY, OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.


1 Corinthians 2:13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

1 Corinthians 4:5-7 Therefore JUDGE NOTHING before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will EXPOSE THE MOTIVES OF MEN’S HEARTS. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying,”DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you BOAST as though you did not?

1 Corinthians 14:36-38 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

-- CAN A PERSON BE SAVED WITHOUT GOD’S FORGIVENESS OF HIS SINS?

-- IS ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS AND FORGIVING SOMEONE NOT GOOD WORKS AND HAS NO BEARING IN OUR SALVATION?

Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

-- BY CLAIMING THAT IT IS GOD WHO WORKS IN AND THRU US,(phil 2:13, rom 8:28), IS IT JUST AND RIGHTEOUS TO SAY AND CLAIM THAT “FAITH ALONE SAVES VOID OF ANY SORT OF WORKS?”

-- IF IT IS GOD & THE HOLY SPIRIT WORKING IN AND THRU US(1 cor 12:6 & 11), ARE YOU NOT GUILTY OF BLASPHEMY AND OF REJECTING THE TRUTH BY SAYING THAT WORKS OF ANY SORT DON’T SAVE WHEN IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT NO BELIEVER CAN DO ANYTHING GOOD WITHOUT THE LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?

-- CAN ANYONE BE SAVED THRU FAITH WITHOUT ANYONE PREACHING TO THEM THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION?

-- IS PREACHING, TEACHING, CONFESSING, BELIEVING, REPENTING, BAPTIZING, WITNESSING,OBEYING, LOVING, FORGIVING, ETC...
NOT WORKS OF THE SPIRIT IN AND THRU US, WORKS OF SERVICE WE WERE PREPARED IN ADVANCE TO DO AND TO WALK ON?(eph 2:10)

Ephesians 4:12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.

-- WHO THEN WILL BE SENT TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT ?

-- IS IT THE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANTS (WORKERS OF THE FAITH) OR THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH ALONE(VOID OF WORKS)?

Matthew 25:21,30 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

And throw that WORTHLESS SERVANT outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Matthew 25:45-46 “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever YOU DID NOT DO for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then THEY WILL GO AWAY TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, but the righteous to eternal life.”

1 Corinthians 5:11-13 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with ANYONE WHO CALLS HIMSELF A BROTHER but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “EXPEL THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOU.”

Romans 11:20-22 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. DO NOT BE ARROGANT, BUT BE AFRAID. For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE WILL NOT SPARE YOU either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, PROVIDED that you CONTINUE in his kindness. Otherwise, YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF.

1 Corinthians 15:55-58 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers, STAND FIRM. Let nothing move you. ALWAYS GIVE YOURSELVES FULLY TO THE WORK OF THE LORD, because you know that YOUR LABOR in the Lord is NOT IN VAIN
 
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ALL these verses which state that salvation, forgiveness etc. are based upon faith VOID of works.....

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe <----NO works

For by Grace have you been saved by faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God, not of works lest any many should boast <-----No works

He that believes on the Son shall be saved <---No works

They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." <---No works

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace <--No works

that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved <---No works

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith <--No works

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. <--No works

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life <--No works

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." <--No works

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. <--No works

For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."<--No works

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,<--No works

but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.<--No works

Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."<--No works

"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.<--No works

and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.<--No works

But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth<--No works

obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.<--No works
 
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G777, who are these people who believe they must have works to obtain salvation?
They are the blind and the spiritually dead.
I will personally do a public posting to them, using the scriptures to show them this isn't so. If that doesn't work, I'll do an expose' of these people & report them to the Admins. This issue needs to be dealt with.
it is being dealt with.
 
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You know, one thing I have noticed is NOT one worker for will answer how many works are necessary to maintain or keep salvation...is it 1 a day, 5 a day, 1 a week or 5 a month or maybe even 1 a year or 100 a year....maybe 1 your whole life?

I go with once your whole life<----BELIEVE on JESUS which is the work of the Heavenly Father.....

If you BELIEVE that God has raised him fro the dead thou shalt be saved!

If you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth JESUS you will be saved.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save the that BELIEVE!
 
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They are the blind and the spiritually dead.
it is being dealt with.
No, I mean W H O are they?

And, nooo it's not being dealt with.

It's only being TALKED TO DEATH.

I don't think it's right to C O N S T A N T L Y say things like this without an ounce of proof.

It's deceitful, it's heretical, it's a plain lie when not a single person will say one word about WHO IT IS.

OBVIOUSLY, these people don't exist..... it's only fabricated to sell their wares.

Every time I call it on the carpet, they clam up & run.
 
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SOME PEOPLE SAY & CLAIM:

Faith ALONE saves

Once saved, ALWAYS saved

Any sort of work is not necessary for salvation even OUR OBEDIENCE TO GOD.

We just have to believe and GOD WILL DO EVERYTHING.

They already possess their salvation.

Our sins in the past present & future were already forgiven.

SIN is IRRELEVANT and has BEEN DEALT with at the cross....

SIN is SIN is SIN ...FORGIVEN is FORGIVEN…

Works are works are
works
ALL of the sins
would EVER commit
were nailed to the
cross in CHRIST the
day I believed (as far
as the condemnation
of the law is
concerned) after
SALVATION
(BIBLICALLY by
FAITH and GRACE
void of HUMAN
EFFORT OR
WORKS of
righteousness)

THE BIBLE SAYS:

Faith without works is DEAD.(james 2:26)

We are justified by what we do and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.(james 2:24)

Faith and actions are WORKING TOGETHER.(james 2:22)

Faith without LOVE is vain.(1 cor 13:2)

Faith without hope is not faith.(rom 8:24,heb 11:1)

What is important is FAITH THAT WORKETH IN LOVE.(gal 5:6)

let us not love in word, neither in tongue, but in DEED and in TRUTH.(1 john 3:18)

But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you CONFESS with your mouth, “JESUS IS LORD,” and BELIEVE in your heart that GOD RAISED HIM from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are JUSTIFIED, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are SAVED.(rom 10:8-10)

How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And HOW CAN THEY HEAR WITHOUT SOMEONE “PREACHING” TO THEM? And how can they preach unless they are SENT? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”(rom 10:14-15)

Consequently, FAITH COMES FROM HEARING THE MESSAGE , and the message is heard through the word of Christ.(rom 10:17)

1 Corinthians 12:6,11 There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and HE GIVES THEM to each one, just as he determines.

I tell you the truth, anyone WHO HAS FAITH in me WILL DO what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.(john 14:12)

1 Timothy 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, YOU WILL SAVE both yourself and your hearers.

We are the FELLOW WORKERS OF GOD.(1 cor 3:9

To BELIEVE in the one that the Father sent is the WORK God requires for men to do(john 6:28)

To LOVE ONE ANOTHER is obedience to God’s commands and is the LOVE FOR GOD.(1 john 5:1-3, 3:23)

Whoever claims to live in him must WALK AS JESUS DID.(1 john 2:6)

...unto good works... THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.(eph 2:10)

...now that he has died as a ransom TO SET THEM FREE FROM THE SINS COMMITTED UNDER THE FIRST COVENANT.(heb 9:15)

And ye shall be hated by all men for My name’s sake, but HE THAT ENDURETH TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED.(mat 10:22)

Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face JUDGMENT, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but TO BRING SALVATION to those who are WAITING FOR HIM.

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. AFTER HE HAD PROVIDED PURIFICATION FOR SINS, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering He hath PERFECTED FOREVER those who are SANCTIFIED

Philippians 3:12-16 NOT that I have ALREADY OBTAINED all this, or have ALREADY been MADE PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself YET to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us LIVE UP to what we have already ATTAINED.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of THE CHURCH, HIS BODY, OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.


1 Corinthians 2:13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

1 Corinthians 4:5-7 Therefore JUDGE NOTHING before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will EXPOSE THE MOTIVES OF MEN’S HEARTS. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying,”DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you BOAST as though you did not?

1 Corinthians 14:36-38 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

-- CAN A PERSON BE SAVED WITHOUT GOD’S FORGIVENESS OF HIS SINS?

-- IS ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS AND FORGIVING SOMEONE NOT GOOD WORKS AND HAS NO BEARING IN OUR SALVATION?

Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

-- BY CLAIMING THAT IT IS GOD WHO WORKS IN AND THRU US,(phil 2:13, rom 8:28), IS IT JUST AND RIGHTEOUS TO SAY AND CLAIM THAT “FAITH ALONE SAVES VOID OF ANY SORT OF WORKS?”

-- IF IT IS GOD & THE HOLY SPIRIT WORKING IN AND THRU US(1 cor 12:6 & 11), ARE YOU NOT GUILTY OF BLASPHEMY AND OF REJECTING THE TRUTH BY SAYING THAT WORKS OF ANY SORT DON’T SAVE WHEN IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT NO BELIEVER CAN DO ANYTHING GOOD WITHOUT THE LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?

-- CAN ANYONE BE SAVED THRU FAITH WITHOUT ANYONE PREACHING TO THEM THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION?

-- IS PREACHING, TEACHING, CONFESSING, BELIEVING, REPENTING, BAPTIZING, WITNESSING,OBEYING, LOVING, FORGIVING, ETC...
NOT WORKS OF THE SPIRIT IN AND THRU US, WORKS OF SERVICE WE WERE PREPARED IN ADVANCE TO DO AND TO WALK ON?(eph 2:10)

Ephesians 4:12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.

-- WHO THEN WILL BE SENT TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT ?

-- IS IT THE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANTS (WORKERS OF THE FAITH) OR THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH ALONE(VOID OF WORKS)?

Matthew 25:21,30 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

And throw that WORTHLESS SERVANT outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Matthew 25:45-46 “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever YOU DID NOT DO for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then THEY WILL GO AWAY TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, but the righteous to eternal life.”

1 Corinthians 5:11-13 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with ANYONE WHO CALLS HIMSELF A BROTHER but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “EXPEL THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOU.”

Romans 11:20-22 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. DO NOT BE ARROGANT, BUT BE AFRAID. For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE WILL NOT SPARE YOU either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, PROVIDED that you CONTINUE in his kindness. Otherwise, YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF.

1 Corinthians 15:55-58 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers, STAND FIRM. Let nothing move you. ALWAYS GIVE YOURSELVES FULLY TO THE WORK OF THE LORD, because you know that YOUR LABOR in the Lord is NOT IN VAIN
excellent summary... Even paul reconised he hadnt obtained his salvation And he makes up most of the bible,,,,,,, why then do people see them selves more highly than paul ?...

To look at all this scripture and dismiss it is just total denial and total assaination of ones abilities to decipher and rationalise.... not forgetting pride,, to dimiss all this scripture youve posted is just shear pride getting in the way or an inner demon saying a not so nice swear word .........of im right and this doesnt mean what you think...

Or an inner demon saying this none of this applies to the unsaved....


I can live with the fact that its ok to believe you will live a fruitful life and one isnt going to change..... which is no diffrent to saying im going to recieve my salvation ,,,,, and i just know i am....

I can also live witht he fact that there are many Good people here with all kinds of loving qualities...

Tell me is that love you show worthy of the crown befor Judgment day... ?

I say if it was what would there be left to work for ?.............

What would there be left to hope for ?

Yup the answer Is no hope and no desire is fruitless
 
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Yes to believe is a works... yes you have to work for and work at and work out your salvation without fear and trembling
 
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No, I mean W H O are they?

And, nooo it's not being dealt with.

It's only being TALKED TO DEATH.

I don't think it's right to C O N S T A N T L Y say things like this without an ounce of proof.

It's deceitful, it's heretical, it's a plain lie when not a single person will say one word about WHO IT IS.

OBVIOUSLY, these people don't exist..... it's only fabricated to sell their wares.

Every time I call it on the carpet, they clam up & run.
Think about it, Its like saying God pulled us out of the fire and saved us, Then gave us these list of works to do and said if you do not do them, I will throw you back into the fire.

Is this what God really does?
you know what is sad, what s sad is you have a belief and will not own it, you need to stand up for what you believe and die for it, r why be there even preaching it,

here is proof, and you walked right into it,

i made a statement of a person who was saved, then god gave them a list of works to do to keep their salvation or god would throw them back into he fire,


what was your response?


Isn't that what He did in the OT?

Isn't that what He did to Ananias & Sapphira?

God is the same as He alwadys was.

He will not put up with outright rebellion.

so in response to my post asking why God demands works to save us, you said I was wrong, God does demand them,

and now your your going to play games and say you want to know who teaches works?

your being dishonest and decietfull Stephen, and your saying others are being decieptfull when it is You!

as a professed Christian, that is pretty bad! And gives you and your God a bad name!