The Rapture

[KJV1611]

KJV1611 that is a great point. Zechariah 9 and Revelation 6 do correlate quite well.
I never understood why it is the antichrist either.
This whole deal about the antichrist and mark of the beast is very much hollywood. There have been tons of movies about these things.

There's a lot of revealing things in the book of Zechariah. When we understand that the horses are the house of Judah AND that Judah is the FOURTH son, the 4 horses are pretty easy to understand.

The number of the beast 666. Count his number - 66 tens + 6 ones. Man adding to the word of God... not a microchip, not something that happens in the last 7 years, it's here right now and ALWAYS has been.

 

[KJV1611]

The Jews, being the enemies of the gospel, and the PERVERTED 7 year peace treaty thing promoting the flesh Jews as God's chosen people and establishing THEIR perveted kingdom in the end times... I wonder if they had anything to do with John Hagee, Tim Lahaye, Jerry Jenkins, Hal Lidnsey, or Zola Levitt. Also I wonder if they were responsible for ADDING "abomination on a wing of the temple". Surely this is not the case lol.

 

[Ahwatukee]

KJV1611 that is a great point. Zechariah 9 and Revelation 6 do correlate quite well.
I never understood why it is the antichrist either.
This whole deal about the antichrist and mark of the beast is very much hollywood. There have been tons of movies about these things.

"And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. "

I'd say that instead of it being very much Hollywood, it is very much scripture. The system for the mark of the beast is already in place and people have been conditioned to used it. Everyday people buy groceries, gas, pay their bills, mortgages and more by the swipe of a card or by using their cell phone bank apps via electronic crediting and debiting, which is buying and selling.

Currently we already have people being implanted under the skin of the hand with RFID chips for the purpose of making purchases. As time goes on, that device will most likely evolve into something smaller and more applicable. What will remain consistent is that, whatever the device ends up being, it will go in the hand or the forehead. Check out the following video of a magazine editor who was determined to go pay for everything using the RFID chip in his hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTBJ6OIGkzc

 

[Bogadile]

"And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. "

I'd say that instead of it being very much Hollywood, it is very much scripture. The system for the mark of the beast is already in place and people have been conditioned to used it. Everyday people buy groceries, gas, pay their bills, mortgages and more by the swipe of a card or by using their cell phone bank apps via electronic crediting and debiting, which is buying and selling.

Currently we already have people being implanted under the skin of the hand with RFID chips for the purpose of making purchases. As time goes on, that device will most likely evolve into something smaller and more applicable. What will remain consistent is that, whatever the device ends up being, it will go in the hand or the forehead. Check out the following video of a magazine editor who was determined to go pay for everything using the RFID chip in his hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTBJ6OIGkzc

What I meant is that lots of movies are made about the mark of the beast.

 

[J7]

Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as his goodly horse in the battle.

Amazing piece of learning this KJV. Thank you.

The Israelites were not allowed war-horses.(Deut 17:16)

The horse was a symbol of power, fleshly power really. God did not allow them horses so that they would know that they were winning their battles through supernatural intervention, not force majeure.

The special cultivation of the Jews by God really produced two types of fig: really rotten ones, or really juicy ones; two types of person, corrupt ones and awesome ones.

So really the special cultivation of the Jews produced a special kind of person, a goodly horse, (i.e. a very powerful person), capable of starting the Church worldwide against intense persecution.

 

[J7]

"And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. "

I'd say that instead of it being very much Hollywood, it is very much scripture. The system for the mark of the beast is already in place and people have been conditioned to used it. Everyday people buy groceries, gas, pay their bills, mortgages and more by the swipe of a card or by using their cell phone bank apps via electronic crediting and debiting, which is buying and selling.

Currently we already have people being implanted under the skin of the hand with RFID chips for the purpose of making purchases. As time goes on, that device will most likely evolve into something smaller and more applicable. What will remain consistent is that, whatever the device ends up being, it will go in the hand or the forehead. Check out the following video of a magazine editor who was determined to go pay for everything using the RFID chip in his hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTBJ6OIGkzc

What happens if it ends up in the buttock though?

 

[KJV1611]

The number 8 in the bible is the number for new beginnings, you can rest assured that Rev. 8 is about changing from the earthly kingdom of God to the spiritual kingdom of God.... no matter how cryptic it may sound, that chapter is the end of the old and the beginning of the new.

The number 9 in the bible represents fruit bearing... Jerusalem is bearing her fruit in chapter 9.

The number 10 in the bible represents dominion... Jesus set his feet (10 toes (dominion))upon the sea and the earth. The kingdom of heaven on earth HAS the dominion at this point... earthly Jerusalem is out ofthe picture FOREVER.

I'm saying all of this to help you. When you read those chapters, keep in mind that that's what those number represent and that will help you find the truth about those chapters.

 

[Bogadile]

I do not think one can take the mark of the beast by accident. Or that someone could just stick the chip in you when you sleep. It has something to do with worship as well not only buying and selling.

 

[Ahwatukee]

What I meant is that lots of movies are made about the mark of the beast.

Did you watch the video? Sweden and her sister countries are pretty much cashless now. It is there where people are being chipped under the skin of the hand. Eventually, we will begin to see people using this method of payment as this system continues to evolve.

The very fact that this technology even exists is a testimony to the truth and accuracy of God's word. If we can see the stage being set for the mark of the beast, which will become mandatory around the middle of that seven years, then how close are we to the Lord appearing and gathering the church?

 

[KJV1611]

I do not think one can take the mark of the beast by accident. Or that someone could just stick the chip in you when you sleep. It has something to do with worship as well not only buying and selling.

Count the number 666 and you will know exactly what the mark of the beast is.... the number can only be counted one way.

 

[J7]

I would get the microchip implanted in my buttock, and therefore would be fine.

Paying in the supermarket would be a bit odd, especially if I accidentally broke wind,
but not much odder than bowing to pay.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I do not think one can take the mark of the beast by accident. Or that someone could just stick the chip in you when you sleep. It has something to do with worship as well not only buying and selling.

You are correct, it does have to do with worship. The way in which the mark is going to work is that, the other methods of buying and selling, cash, checks, cards and cell phone apps, etc., will be made obsolete leaving only the mark. With the other options made invalid, the only way of being able to credit and debit ones bank account will be to have that mark. This is what is meant in the scripture that says "He forces all."

 

[Bogadile]

Did you watch the video? Sweden and her sister countries are pretty much cashless now. It is there where people are being chipped under the skin of the hand. Eventually, we will begin to see people using this method of payment as this system continues to evolve.

The very fact that this technology even exists is a testimony to the truth and accuracy of God's word. If we can see the stage being set for the mark of the beast, which will become mandatory around the middle of that seven years, then how close are we to the Lord appearing and gathering the church?

We are also going cashless in this country quite fast.

 

[Ahwatukee]

We are also going cashless in this country quite fast.

Yes sir! And the rest of the world is following suit. It won't be long before we begin to see people paying with their hands instead of their cards or cell phone bank apps. The majority are already using electronic credit and debiting opposed to cash.

 

[Bogadile]

Yes sir! And the rest of the world is following suit. It won't be long before we begin to see people paying with their hands instead of their cards or cell phone bank apps.

As you mentioned, forcing would be the only way to make it happen. People do not like taking chips inside of them, atleast I would never do it, even if it was not the mark of the beast, I would not risk it.

 

[MattforJesus]

I do not think one can take the mark of the beast by accident. Or that someone could just stick the chip in you when you sleep. It has something to do with worship as well not only buying and selling.

That is true,for worship of the beast,and understanding his agenda,that there is no higher power than people,no personal God,and mankind can be greater by the power of nature,precedes taking the mark.

If a city decided they wanted its citizens to take the mark of the beast,what will be used at the beast kingdom,although they would not call it the mark of the beast,as a test run,and to see how smooth things would go,it would not count if they took the device,for worship of the beast precedes the mark.

And the mark of the beast,whatever device it is,will not be implemented until the nations are together at the beast kingdom,which I read that they were test running the microchip somewhere in California,but I did not check in to it.

I believe it will be the microchip,linked to Satellite,that will be used to keep track of the people of the world.

The beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind,but mankind's technology,and devices,can cause the world to operate smoother,and provide for a more peaceful world.

On the chip all information of the person,including financial records,no person may buy or sell without the mark,and when their hand or forehead is scanned,a picture comes up on computer,with all information about them.

If a crime happens in an area they will know who was in the area,and how close they were to the crime scene,which crime would reduce,because people will be afraid to commit a crime,and if they try to get rid of the chip they cannot buy or sell anything.


Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

666
chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

I think it will be the microchip,and since the world is together trying to have peace on earth,and the beast's agenda is technology,and their devices,is the answer to help out in this endeavor,the mark of the beast will have to do something with technology.

 

[Ahwatukee]

As you mentioned, forcing would be the only way to make it happen. People do not like taking chips inside of them, atleast I would never do it, even if it was not the mark of the beast, I would not risk it.

Well, as I said, the way in which I believe that people will be forced, will not be by physical force, but by taking away the other options of buying and selling. This is how I believe that the false prophet will force people to receive the mark, by taking away the other options. Therefore, in order to be able to have a bank account and to be able to pay your bills, buy food, etc., one would have to take the mark in order to be apart of the electronic crediting and debiting system.

Those who will not be receiving it, will be the great tribulation saints, which are those whom the beast will be given power to make war against and to conquer them (Rev.13:7).

 

[J7]

The earth in Revelation is specifically Israel, whereas the sea is the other nations, ('the gentiles').


Rev 17:15 The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

So the beast from the earth is really Zionism, and the mark of the beast pertains explicitly to the land of Israel.

e.g. the mark of the beast is probably Israel worship, the Star Of David.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Morning MattforJesus,

And the mark of the beast,whatever device it is,will not be implemented until the nations are together at the beast kingdom, which I read that they were test running the microchip somewhere in California, but I did not check in to it.

Regarding this, see post #4023

 

[KJV1611]

I would get the microchip implanted in my buttock, and therefore would be fine.

Paying in the supermarket would be a bit odd, especially if I accidentally broke wind,
but not much odder than bowing to pay.

I hope these poor souls against microchips don't starve their loved ones to death and live like animals when we go cashless.... I guess that would be their own personal apocalypse that they so eagerly wait for.... kind of ironic to me.