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Hi FranC,
I will help out. Heb 10:26-27 means exactly what God says....
Heb 10:26-27,
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
If we choose to continue in wilful known sin we are not believing Gods Word and will be lost and not saved because sin is the transgression of God's Law and the wages of sin is death (1John 3:4; Rom 6:23) Hope this helps those struggling with the verses
I will help out. Heb 10:26-27 means exactly what God says....
Heb 10:26-27,
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
If we choose to continue in wilful known sin we are not believing Gods Word and will be lost and not saved because sin is the transgression of God's Law and the wages of sin is death (1John 3:4; Rom 6:23) Hope this helps those struggling with the verses
It’s a warning for us to behave ourselves it is written to Christians. It has nothing to do with losing that which we cannot be lost. Either a person has the Spirit of Christ or he does not belong to Him.
Hoping the flesh could count for something is a indication a person might not have the Spirit of Christ .
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Its is up to Christ. No man can (impossible) come unless God draws us. No man of his own volition could seek after him in order for him to give His understanding. He must do the first work which is not according to what some call the free will of man.
Yes it does seem that way for some.
They exist; it’s a matter of whose work of faith saves a person? Some say, we all have a free choice to choose who we follow or not...and the dumb ones suffer for ever.
It what the Greeks performed show me God by the wisdom of this world (the intellectual gospel) The cross the stumbling block .
Other require a sign that they can perform like I go to Church and read the Bible or speak a tongue or feed the poor.The cross the stumbling block .
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom. But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
Yes it does seem that way for some.
They exist; it’s a matter of whose work of faith saves a person? Some say, we all have a free choice to choose who we follow or not...and the dumb ones suffer for ever.
It what the Greeks performed show me God by the wisdom of this world (the intellectual gospel) The cross the stumbling block .
Other require a sign that they can perform like I go to Church and read the Bible or speak a tongue or feed the poor.The cross the stumbling block .
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom. But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
You assume much and the word is WEAK.....and it is obvious that your version is the Weak version....your Jesus cannot keep you saved and you have no concept of sin in the believer....John was clear....those who say they have NO SIN are DECIEVED and do not have the TRUTH dwelling in them....so SEE.....the truth is seen by ALL who are honest....your deception and lack of truth is proven by JOHN who was inspired....you on the other hand....not so much pal........and just for you a bonus scripture that you deny......
David described the blessedness of the man to who God IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS without the deeds of the LAW (works)......
A man who denies the bolded cannot be a saved child of GOD ^^^^^^^^^
David described the blessedness of the man to who God IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS without the deeds of the LAW (works)......
A man who denies the bolded cannot be a saved child of GOD ^^^^^^^^^
The bolded you are not.....the very things you say prove that you are not a REAL follower....How can a man be saved when they deny the imputed righteousness of Christ.......they cannot be because they are going about to establish their own righteousness and ALL who deny SIN in their lives are DECEIVED and HAVE NO TRUTH dwelling in them......You should actually trust JESUS instead of yourself....your sinless perfectionist working for dogma will not get you there pal...!
For you pal...
David described the blessedness of the man to who God IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS without the deeds of the LAW (works)......
For you pal...
David described the blessedness of the man to who God IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS without the deeds of the LAW (works)......
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Who is actually doing the holding?...
One who professes to be a christian, but then ends up completely rejecting God, just proves that their salvation was not real to begin with. The reason he is able to "let go" of the things of God is because he himself is the one doing the holding (since he's not saved). He doesn't belong to God, therefore God's power cannot keep him. This is the difference between the wheat and the tares.
As 1 John says (I know this one has been posted to death, so we all know it by now), it's clear that many will come out from among us, because they were not of us, otherwise they would've stayed with us. So their leaving makes clear they are not of us.
I'm not talking of backsliding christians though, who have drifted off for a time. I was one of them, but I still remained His child. Others could even see that I was. Believers do return. In my case, I was so young when I was saved, and just didn't grow at all. Being so young I got distracted with the things of the world, but He gave me that freedom to drift off. Most likely it was a life lesson. But then He called me back in 2011 in a powerful way (blog post coming soon). So in my case He was the one that chose the timing, not me, and I believe it was all according to His will, the plans He had for me. Then satan got angry and tried to kill me just days later, and was unsuccessful because of God's protection
One who professes to be a christian, but then ends up completely rejecting God, just proves that their salvation was not real to begin with. The reason he is able to "let go" of the things of God is because he himself is the one doing the holding (since he's not saved). He doesn't belong to God, therefore God's power cannot keep him. This is the difference between the wheat and the tares.
As 1 John says (I know this one has been posted to death, so we all know it by now
), it's clear that many will come out from among us, because they were not of us, otherwise they would've stayed with us. So their leaving makes clear they are not of us.I'm not talking of backsliding christians though, who have drifted off for a time. I was one of them, but I still remained His child. Others could even see that I was. Believers do return. In my case, I was so young when I was saved, and just didn't grow at all. Being so young I got distracted with the things of the world, but He gave me that freedom to drift off. Most likely it was a life lesson. But then He called me back in 2011 in a powerful way (blog post coming soon). So in my case He was the one that chose the timing, not me, and I believe it was all according to His will, the plans He had for me. Then satan got angry and tried to kill me just days later, and was unsuccessful because of God's protection
a. Deny the imputed righteousness of Christ to a believer
b. Say the cross is not enough
c. Say that the imputed righteousness of Christ is a neat little trick that does not work
BOTH deny sin in a believer and both push their own working for I don't sin dogma.......MY bible teaches that a man who believes the above is not saved.....regardless of how much they claim to follow JESUS.....
Hi Katy,
It is possible to be following God one day and not following Him the next day if you choose to yield to temptation and choose a life of sin. While you are choosing a life of sin, you have fallen away from the faith and chosen to leave God until you repent and turn back to God. I am glad you are back with God now.
God bless
It is possible to be following God one day and not following Him the next day if you choose to yield to temptation and choose a life of sin. While you are choosing a life of sin, you have fallen away from the faith and chosen to leave God until you repent and turn back to God. I am glad you are back with God now.
God bless
Where sin abounds GRACE DID MUCH MORE ABOUND...........you guys need to get over this sinless perfectionist crap......John was clear...If WE say that WE have NO SIN, WE are deceived and the truth is not in US........
WE, WE, WE US <----THE apostle that JESUS loved and who wrote almost 20% of the N.T. wrote this and included himself.....
There is not ONE day that goes by that you do not fail the Lord in SOME form or FASHION......NO ONE is or was SINLESS except JESUS.....
Was Peter lost when he denied the Lord 3 times?........the tragic truth....YOUR yanked out of context usage of Hebrews 10 above proves you the false teacher........and what you push...the same sinless perfectionist lie that Sponge pushes is false....
John also said....IF we say that we have no SIN we are deceived and the truth is not in us.
so which is it.....We say we know him and do not keep his commandments we are a liar....We say we have no sin we are deceived and NO truth in us.....so....which are YOU?
John also said....IF we say that we have no SIN we are deceived and the truth is not in us.
so which is it.....We say we know him and do not keep his commandments we are a liar....We say we have no sin we are deceived and NO truth in us.....so....which are YOU?
You should learn the word of God before you make such foolish statements....
Last time I checked he is LORD of both the LIVING and the DEAD and EVERY KNEE shall BOW and CONFESS to the glory of GOD......I can think of many scriptures that places ALL of humanity under him.....WOW...............
ALL things were mad by him and for him
He is the HEAD of all things
He lights EVERY an that comes into the world
He is lifted up and draws ALL men unto him
ALL judgment has been committed unto the SON
KING of kings, LORD of lords
KING over ALL the earth
Rule ALL nations with a rod of IRON
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.......
Last time I checked he is LORD of both the LIVING and the DEAD and EVERY KNEE shall BOW and CONFESS to the glory of GOD......I can think of many scriptures that places ALL of humanity under him.....WOW...............
ALL things were mad by him and for him
He is the HEAD of all things
He lights EVERY an that comes into the world
He is lifted up and draws ALL men unto him
ALL judgment has been committed unto the SON
KING of kings, LORD of lords
KING over ALL the earth
Rule ALL nations with a rod of IRON
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.......
One thing to keep in mind is that it is possible to post a "string" of scriptures that are all taken out of context from both the OT and the NT to "prove" a teaching.
I like to use Exodus 32:33 as an example. Let's say I have this "theory" that we must be sinless all of our lives to get to heaven.
I start with the below scripture from Moses and from the start it's not looking good for us......
Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
I then can go on to post scriptures from Moses to David to Jesus all about sin and what it does. Then I end up with the book of Revelation 21:8 where it says that all immoral people will be thrown in the lake of fire.
All of these scriptures are true but none of them take into consideration the finished work of Christ and how that Jesus' blood has redeemed sinners.
Jesus' truths trump ( sorry to the Americans for using "trump" as that word can be a stumbling block to some ) all those scriptures that were "strung" together to prove my above theory in the first place.
The finished work of Christ is what all other scriptures need to be interpreted through before IMO they can be legitimately used to support a teaching.
I love to look into the Greek as well for the different nuances and although I did come in 2nd in my Greek class - I have no desire to be able to read it without any help. The Lord has me focusing on different aspects of it.
The funny thing about Greek is that most of the people in NT days spoke Greek and understood the language unlike us today, yet they still needed the Holy Spirit to reveal the truths of the Lord to them.
I find it fascinating to read a scripture I have known all my Christian life and then one day - the Holy Spirit illuminates that scripture and I am amazed at how I didn't see that before.
I maintain that we are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to reveal Jesus to us in the scriptures as Mary was dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.
We can read the scriptures through the lens of our natural minds whether we know all the Greek words and structure or not and come away with the wrong reality of spiritual truths.
I like to use Exodus 32:33 as an example. Let's say I have this "theory" that we must be sinless all of our lives to get to heaven.
I start with the below scripture from Moses and from the start it's not looking good for us...
...Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
I then can go on to post scriptures from Moses to David to Jesus all about sin and what it does. Then I end up with the book of Revelation 21:8 where it says that all immoral people will be thrown in the lake of fire.
All of these scriptures are true but none of them take into consideration the finished work of Christ and how that Jesus' blood has redeemed sinners.
Jesus' truths trump ( sorry to the Americans for using "trump" as that word can be a stumbling block to some ) all those scriptures that were "strung" together to prove my above theory in the first place.
The finished work of Christ is what all other scriptures need to be interpreted through before IMO they can be legitimately used to support a teaching.
I love to look into the Greek as well for the different nuances and although I did come in 2nd in my Greek class - I have no desire to be able to read it without any help. The Lord has me focusing on different aspects of it.
The funny thing about Greek is that most of the people in NT days spoke Greek and understood the language unlike us today, yet they still needed the Holy Spirit to reveal the truths of the Lord to them.
I find it fascinating to read a scripture I have known all my Christian life and then one day - the Holy Spirit illuminates that scripture and I am amazed at how I didn't see that before.
I maintain that we are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to reveal Jesus to us in the scriptures as Mary was dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.
We can read the scriptures through the lens of our natural minds whether we know all the Greek words and structure or not and come away with the wrong reality of spiritual truths.
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I've known several people with this testimony. The key is that they never became an unbeliever again. They had weak faith, not no faith at all as so many Christians view this matter of faith.
Unbelief is what will forfeit the grace of God in salvation, not sinning itself. The sin that is motivated by a rejection and turning away from the grace of salvation in unbelief is what will cause the (ex) believer to lose his salvation.
Only believers (present tense) have the security of God's salvation. And only fruit bearing believers have the assurance of that salvation. The sure promise of salvation is only for the believing. And the sure promise of abundant life in your salvation is only for the fruit bearing believing person.
Unbelief is what will forfeit the grace of God in salvation, not sinning itself. The sin that is motivated by a rejection and turning away from the grace of salvation in unbelief is what will cause the (ex) believer to lose his salvation.
Only believers (present tense) have the security of God's salvation. And only fruit bearing believers have the assurance of that salvation. The sure promise of salvation is only for the believing. And the sure promise of abundant life in your salvation is only for the fruit bearing believing person.
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God's grace will follow the believer even into the deepest of sins. But the one place it will not follow the (ex) believer (for long anyway) is into your unbelief, your rejection of the blood that sanctified you.
A lot of people seem to be gambling that the plain words of the passage above don't really mean what they plainly say.
26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THEFURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know Him who said, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.” 31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
A lot of people seem to be gambling that the plain words of the passage above don't really mean what they plainly say.
Hi DCON,
I don't know if you meant to or not but you just twisted what I said to try and make it sound like I am saying something I never did and ignored the context of the conversation the message was sent to. Anyhow the context is continuing in wilful sin. Did Peter continue in wilful sin? What your suggesting that I said is just plain deceitful or you do not know God's Word which is it?
Heb 10:26-27,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Eze 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
1John 2:3,
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4,
He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Ok time to sleep my end all
God bless you
I don't know if you meant to or not but you just twisted what I said to try and make it sound like I am saying something I never did and ignored the context of the conversation the message was sent to. Anyhow the context is continuing in wilful sin. Did Peter continue in wilful sin? What your suggesting that I said is just plain deceitful or you do not know God's Word which is it?
Heb 10:26-27,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Eze 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
1John 2:3,
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4,
He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Ok time to sleep my end all
God bless you
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