Losing Salvation ?!

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Jackson123

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Good question, I'd say yes regarding we are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto salvation. But that's just my conjecture which is baseless on all the facts obviously.
it's mean you believe a man can lost his salvation
 

loveme1

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Revelation 22

10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
 

OneFaith

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Hebrew believers who want to go back under and inferior way.....there are no scriptures in context that teaches the lose of salvation....VERB tense, verbiage, context and the very definitions of words prove that salvation is a one time event for eternity....It is JESUS that begins our faith, it is JESUS that finishes our faith, it is JESUS that will finish the good work he began, we are saved to the uttermost, sealed with the Spirit of promise, in the Father's hand, in Christ's hand and he promises to never leave us or forsake us and NOTHING can separate us from the Love of Christ......

JESUS said he would LOSE NOTHING that the Father hath given him and WILL raise it up on the last day......reference the verse references above.....!
Hebrew believers? I believe in the Bible- which includes Hebrews. All that the Father gives Him are those He foreknows will go to heaven. Jesus Himself says "Not everyone who calls Me Lord will enter heaven."
 
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Sully

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it's mean you believe a man can lost his salvation
it means a man and a woman in the garden lost salvation for us all. It means a Man restored that salvation which can no longer be lost.
 

Jackson123

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it means a man and a woman in the garden lost salvation for us all. It means a Man restored that salvation which can no longer be lost.
So you believe Adam and eve lost his salvation, but Christian can not lost their salvation?
 
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Who is Hebrews 6 adressing to ?
But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.[Hebrews 6:9]
 
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Yes...we can lose salvation if Jesus is a liar. Because He said that the Holy Spirit will be in us forever. John 14:16

Jesus also said that "None that come to Me will I in no wise cast out".

Because Jesus also said "No one can pluck you out of My hands nor My Father's hands".

Because Jesus said that "He will never leave nor forsake us - never."

So, if Jesus is a liar - then - the answer is definitely yes we can lose salvation because it is all based on a liar.

But we are called "believers" for a reason. Jesus is NOT a liar. He can be trusted because He alone is the Savior. We don't save ourselves!

The heart of man is not designed by God to believe in a being that lies and cannot be trusted. It violates His life and instinctively we know it is wrong.
 

J0Hnnatcc3

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when the Holy Spirit left, are they consider not save anymore?
It was pointed out to me that Salvation came to people in the OT much the same way we receive it now. By faith in Jesus (the Messiah to come) even as early as​ Adam and Eve, people of the OT could be saved.

Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

Makes sense right?
 

loveme1

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Yes...we can lose salvation if Jesus is a liar. Because He said that the Holy Spirit will be in us forever. John 14:16

Jesus also said that "None that come to Me will I in no wise cast out".

Because Jesus also said "No one can pluck you out of My hands nor My Father's hands".

Because Jesus said that "He will never leave nor forsake us - never."

So, if Jesus is a liar - then - the answer is definitely yes we can lose salvation because it is all based on a liar.

But we are called "believers" for a reason. Jesus is NOT a liar. He can be trusted because He alone is the Savior. We don't save ourselves!

The heart of man is not designed by God to believe in a being that lies and cannot be trusted. It violates His life and instinctively we know it is wrong.

Is this from a book you read?
 

Jackson123

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It was pointed out to me that Salvation came to people in the OT much the same way we receive it now. By faith in Jesus (the Messiah to come) even as early as​ Adam and Eve, people of the OT could be saved.

Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

Makes sense right?
So because Adam and eve lost their status AS a Garden of Eden, residen than Christian can lost their salvation?
 

Jackson123

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Yes...we can lose salvation if Jesus is a liar. Because He said that the Holy Spirit will be in us forever. John 14:16

Jesus also said that "None that come to Me will I in no wise cast out".

Because Jesus also said "No one can pluck you out of My hands nor My Father's hands".

Because Jesus said that "He will never leave nor forsake us - never."

So, if Jesus is a liar - then - the answer is definitely yes we can lose salvation because it is all based on a liar.

But we are called "believers" for a reason. Jesus is NOT a liar. He can be trusted because He alone is the Savior. We don't save ourselves!

The heart of man is not designed by God to believe in a being that lies and cannot be trusted. It violates His life and instinctively we know it is wrong.
Did Jesus say Holy Spirit always with us No matter what?

is that possible people recieve Jesus and because of persecution than left

matt 13

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
 

J0Hnnatcc3

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So because Adam and eve lost their status AS a Garden of Eden, residen than Christian can lost their salvation?
Hi Jackson, that is not at all what I am suggesting. How did you come to that conclusion?
 

Jackson123

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Hi Jackson, that is not at all what I am suggesting. How did you come to that conclusion?[/QUOT

Do you believe Adam losing his salvation Upon Eating the fruit of knowledge?

if so, is that mean Christian can lose their salvation?
 

J0Hnnatcc3

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Hi Jackson, that is not at all what I am suggesting. How did you come to that conclusion?[/QUOT

Do you believe Adam losing his salvation Upon Eating the fruit of knowledge?

if so, is that mean Christian can lose their salvation?
Honestly I don't know with certainly. However, there's no reason to think that a single action by Adam or Eve made them lose their salvation. Genesis doesn't suggest that their salvation was tied to their obedience or The Garden of Eden.
 

Jackson123

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Honestly I don't know with certainly. However, there's no reason to think that a single action by Adam or Eve made them lose their salvation. Genesis doesn't suggest that their salvation was tied to their obedience or The Garden of Eden.
was what Adam does a sin?

The Wage of sin is death.
 

Christian71

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It's speakng to saved Christians- warning that they can lose their salvation if not careful.
I heard a preacher back in the day say this about our Eternal Salvation and how secure it is!... And YES I am OSAS... For Satan to get to one of Jesus Christ blood bought children, he would have to overthrow the TRIUNE GODHEAD!... That is how secure our Salvation is... Brother Glen