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Just one act of kindness and love in Jesus name is enough to qualify as a sheep. All God's kids do at least one, but God is not a slave driver with a quota of how many works you must do to earn salvation.
These verses DESCRIBE those who are saved. They are NOT REQUIREMENTS to BE SAVED.
Matthew 25
37Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,f you did it to me.’
These verses DESCRIBE those who are saved. They are NOT REQUIREMENTS to BE SAVED.
Matthew 25
37Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,f you did it to me.’
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Acts 16
29And the jailere called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Fyi.,,beleive means to fully trust in Jesus ability to save you fully.
Jesus saving you involves death of the Old man and rebirth as a child of God.
29And the jailere called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Fyi.,,beleive means to fully trust in Jesus ability to save you fully.
Jesus saving you involves death of the Old man and rebirth as a child of God.
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Grace777,
It seems like my testimony post has struck a cord with you. Could it be because you are following a counterfeit Gospel?
God bless
It seems like my testimony post has struck a cord with you. Could it be because you are following a counterfeit Gospel?
God bless
It means to execute, enforce-to carry out, to fulfill.
"...for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Gal 6:7
Correct me if I am wrong but you said that we should do what Jesus instructed us to to do?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matt 5:48
So if asking what you were doing to be perfect before the LORD is a silly question then wouldn't that make talking to Jesus a form of necromancy.? 1 Cor 2:14
I don't talk to the dead no matter what they tell ya!
"...for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Gal 6:7
Correct me if I am wrong but you said that we should do what Jesus instructed us to to do?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matt 5:48
So if asking what you were doing to be perfect before the LORD is a silly question then wouldn't that make talking to Jesus a form of necromancy.? 1 Cor 2:14
I don't talk to the dead no matter what they tell ya!
I think you should read it again. The man shared a big portion of his own walk and experience. Yes, he did it in his own words (refreshing to me personally), and he said "God" instead of the "Holy Spirit" (some don't really separate the three but they are all just God to them and that's okay). He DID talk about love and he DID talk about the new covenant being more than a keeping of the 10 commandments. In fact, he noted that he came to the point where he basically said, but then...it is impossible if it applies even to my inward thoughts!
I didn't see as you did that he was thinking God just repackaged the old covenant. I saw that he was rejoicing that God causes him to actually BE law abiding in his inner man and not just as an outside display.
I didn't see as you did that he was thinking God just repackaged the old covenant. I saw that he was rejoicing that God causes him to actually BE law abiding in his inner man and not just as an outside display.
See post #22476.
I don't close my eyes to the truth under the New Covenant (Colossians 2:16-17) as you do for the sake of remaining under the law and in bondage to your false religion.
I don't cherry pick. I rightly divide the word of truth and don't intermingle the old and new covenant.
Colossians 2:16-17.
- Christians worship on 1st Day: Ats 20:7 & 1 Corinthians 16:1-2
I have quoted scripture, not traditions of men. Your "keep the Sabbath on Saturday or else under the new covenant" commandment is of men.
Consider yourself warned.
*SO WHICH CHURCH DO YOU ATTEND? SDA OR WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD? (ARMSTRONGISM)
I don't close my eyes to the truth under the New Covenant (Colossians 2:16-17) as you do for the sake of remaining under the law and in bondage to your false religion.
I don't cherry pick. I rightly divide the word of truth and don't intermingle the old and new covenant.
Colossians 2:16-17.
- Christians worship on 1st Day: Ats 20:7 & 1 Corinthians 16:1-2
I have quoted scripture, not traditions of men. Your "keep the Sabbath on Saturday or else under the new covenant" commandment is of men.
Consider yourself warned.
*SO WHICH CHURCH DO YOU ATTEND? SDA OR WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD? (ARMSTRONGISM)
Sigh...
If the Prodigal Son had not come back,
He would have been LOST.
Please see
Luke 15:24
The father says the son was dead and has come to life AGAIN, he was lost and is found.
AGAIN means:
The son was saved when he was with the father.
He became LOST WHEN HE LEFT THE FATHER'S HOUSE.
He returned to the Father's house and came back to life AGAIN...
Luke 15:24 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.
If the Prodigal Son had not come back,
He would have been LOST.
Please see
Luke 15:24
The father says the son was dead and has come to life AGAIN, he was lost and is found.
AGAIN means:
The son was saved when he was with the father.
He became LOST WHEN HE LEFT THE FATHER'S HOUSE.
He returned to the Father's house and came back to life AGAIN...
Luke 15:24 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.
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The NEW COMMANDMENT in the New covenant given by Jesus is for us to love others as Jesus loves us.
In the old covenant, it was an eye for an eye. In the new it's turn the other cheek and forgive as God has forgiven you. Bless and love your enemies, go the extra mile. That is an example of grace teaching versus law keeping.
There are more differences between the new Covenant and the old, but who cares to listen?
In the old covenant, it was an eye for an eye. In the new it's turn the other cheek and forgive as God has forgiven you. Bless and love your enemies, go the extra mile. That is an example of grace teaching versus law keeping.
There are more differences between the new Covenant and the old, but who cares to listen?
I’m a little confused and I generally do not walk in to anyone’s conversation although it does seem important, and then for my own understanding of this false gospel.
The basis of the gospel is Jesus Christ that completed the law. Even though the 10 commandments were the foundation of the OT they are not in the NT. Jesus Christ is the centerpiece. As it is written IN John 1, Moses gave the Law and Jesus (he was full of) gave us grace and truth. The 10 commandments are now embedded in our hearts with any other commandments already presented and future for each one personally, that the spirit wants to make us aware of, usually of sin and guidance for living.
In Christ, Always
The basis of the gospel is Jesus Christ that completed the law. Even though the 10 commandments were the foundation of the OT they are not in the NT. Jesus Christ is the centerpiece. As it is written IN John 1, Moses gave the Law and Jesus (he was full of) gave us grace and truth. The 10 commandments are now embedded in our hearts with any other commandments already presented and future for each one personally, that the spirit wants to make us aware of, usually of sin and guidance for living.
In Christ, Always
is not how many time you help the needy, It is the fruit of the Holy spirit.
God is love, If Jesus in you, He Will produce agape love. Agape love show himself in the form of love the poor, love the stranger/ not racist, If one only love the rich, the powerful man like president, every body can do, we do not need Holy Spirit.
in my country people proud If the president is your friend.
It not count. If you help and love the poor, that count in His eyes.
God is love, If Jesus in you, He Will produce agape love. Agape love show himself in the form of love the poor, love the stranger/ not racist, If one only love the rich, the powerful man like president, every body can do, we do not need Holy Spirit.
in my country people proud If the president is your friend.
It not count. If you help and love the poor, that count in His eyes.
I'm sorry Stephen. Your'e right. But I can assure you I had no intent to try and make it out as if I wrote that. That was sloppy of me. I kinda just assumed it was a given. But the verses speak for themselves. I'm assuming you are referring to the commentary just before the verses.
Have a blessed weekend!
Have a blessed weekend!
Yes. That is what I mean to say. And His mercy is enough so that there is no need to grasp for eternal life as if it a possession of my own apart from abiding, or to say: it's mine now no matter what I do or don't do. It isn't a deal to cheat death. He IS eternal life. Why is it so odious that I must remain in trust in Him in order for it to be mine?
Yes well --- this is my whole point.
How does one reading through the N.T. come up with the idea that Jesus did NOT leave us with commandments?
I just don't understand this.
Maybe it's based on fear because good works are NOT being done?
Maybe some think it's too much to live up to so they cannot base their faith on what Jesus actually said?
I do want to say that there is nothing to fear for those that are in our Lord and Savior and are doing the best they can.
We can do no more than that. God will forigive us all our sins as long as we are trusting in His Son to save us.
That is no reason to DENY that works are demanded by Jesus Himself.
It is NOT a scary thought for those of us who love our Lord and Savior and depend on Him for salvation.
How does one reading through the N.T. come up with the idea that Jesus did NOT leave us with commandments?
I just don't understand this.
Maybe it's based on fear because good works are NOT being done?
Maybe some think it's too much to live up to so they cannot base their faith on what Jesus actually said?
I do want to say that there is nothing to fear for those that are in our Lord and Savior and are doing the best they can.
We can do no more than that. God will forigive us all our sins as long as we are trusting in His Son to save us.
That is no reason to DENY that works are demanded by Jesus Himself.
It is NOT a scary thought for those of us who love our Lord and Savior and depend on Him for salvation.
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Ah...yes! What does the word believe mean??
If Adam and Eve had believed what God said, they wouldn't have eaten the fruit.
They would have done what He said and NOT eaten it.
If I said to you: oh no, don't eat that candy bar, it is poisoned and you will die if you eat it, there would be only one reason I would eat it - because I didn't believe what you said to be true!
What nonsense if I said in my dying breath: but I DID believe you. I proved, by not listening to what you said, that I clearly did NOT believe you were telling the truth!
If Adam and Eve had believed what God said, they wouldn't have eaten the fruit.
They would have done what He said and NOT eaten it.
If I said to you: oh no, don't eat that candy bar, it is poisoned and you will die if you eat it, there would be only one reason I would eat it - because I didn't believe what you said to be true!
What nonsense if I said in my dying breath: but I DID believe you. I proved, by not listening to what you said, that I clearly did NOT believe you were telling the truth!