Not By Works

Stunnedbygrace · Jul 31, 2017

Once again, define believe.
The demons believe He is who He said He is, they knew it for a fact. They know and believe He was raised on the third day. They know what is going to happen, just as He said it will - (did you come to torment us before the time?)

If you believe Him, you will do one of two things:
1. You will do all He said or,
2. You will see that you don't and will ask for the help you need.

Aren't we constantly doing these two things as He shows us what our heart is up to in matters? Who hasn't struggled with belief? Who hasn't examined the storing of treasure on earth against all He told us? Who hasn't had their life fall apart or implode at some point and asked, where ARE You, Lord??

Is believing simple? There are a lot of hindrances (the world and our own self for two) to the obedience of faith. Try not storing treasure on earth and wait to hear your own family calling you a fool and the entire world siding with them. Then wait and hear the Christians you know saying you're a fool too!

JIMBO43 · Jul 31, 2017

dcontroversal said:

moses made it to the promised land so his law was good

JIMBO43 · Jul 31, 2017

saving grace is a type of salvation and not the final one

Ariel82 · Jul 31, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

Wow..you totally misunderstood my post.

First I don't believe I can fight demons myself. I believe we can pray and God will send angels and they take care of the supernatural realm.

Second I was trying to show how God loves us because we as sinners would protect our children. Therefore God who loves us more than we love our kids would send His angels to protect us too.

I was trying to say that God sends His angels to protect all His kids even if we can't see them because He loves us.

Sorry if my message got lost.

I don't think I am better than anyone on this forum.

I actually think most are probably more knowledgeable and wiser than I am.

However I am as God has made me and that is enough to follow and glorify Him.

I don't have all the answers, but I know someone who does: Jesus Christ,

I hope you can say the same.

All you have to do is pray and God can reveal His truths to all His children via the Holy spirit.

However we aren't smart enough to understand it all so He gives us enough to do what we need to in this life.

JIMBO43 · Jul 31, 2017

we deserve a God of second chances should this be a fundelmental belief ?

Ariel82 · Jul 31, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

We deserve nothing, but we have a God who loves us enough to give second chances.

dcontroversal · Jul 31, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

He did spare it, then used the Assyrians whose capitol was Nineveh to judge the Northern Kingdom of Israel....and then judged them for the violence and used the Babylonians to bring down the Assyrian kingdom......Nineveh was so thoroughly destroyed that Alexander the Great marched his army right over the top of Nineveh and did not even know it as there........

Ariel82 · Jul 31, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

Need to pick her up, she is getting ready. See you later.

garee · Jul 31, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

So we might know what his will is that works in us to both will and perform His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness.

Why do you think he says to the foolish ones to obey as those before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among us.Was Christ cruicifed, does he need to be recruicified every time you violate any part of the law, knowing you transgress the whole law when one is violated?

What is the wage of one sin? Go do a good work ?

foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?Gal 3:1

Will you obey by believing the hearing of Christ's faith or is it not clear he was crucified? How many times does a person have to lay again and again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God?

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward GodOf the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.And this will we do, if God permit.For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:1

Better thing accompany those who obey the word beleiving what it says, called redemption .

dcontroversal · Jul 31, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

Try again....he did not make it...was allowed to view it before his death from a mountain top and then died.....

JIMBO43 · Jul 31, 2017

Ariel82 said:

we are all surrounded by millions of angels waiting to explode into millions of angels... hence the milky way.. question is which one are you ? a shining star waiting to give birth or a death star looking to destroy so that you survive.. like the story of the lioness mum who kills one of her own so the others survive.. ?

notmyown · Jul 31, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

over 200 years after David.

JIMBO43 · Jul 31, 2017

dcontroversal said:

i see your a law hater too
Matthew 17:3

Matthew 17:3New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus

notmyown · Jul 31, 2017

Ariel82 said:

i heard a preacher say, ONE chance (our first parents) and a SECOND Adam.

i kinda like that. it's all about the Savior.

posthuman · Jul 31, 2017

notmyown said:

a generation later - God showed mercy to them, which made Jonah angry to the point that he'd rather die than see that happen. he disagreed with God about who mercy should be shown to, but he knew that God's grace, lovingkindness and mercy is everlasting - as Ariel quoted a few posts above.

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
so ((side note)) - Christ at Gethsemane. He prays, if it be the Father's will, let the cup pass - but His will be done. is this an argument in the middle of the godhead? is God divided? i've been thinking about this: God is perfectly holy and just, and He is also perfectly graceful and abounding in faithful love. the Father is not willing that any should perish, but has put all under sin so that all may receive mercy. Christ will come again in all righteous judgement, and the Father calls judgement His "strange work" ((re: Isaiah 28:21)).
so the cup - is it the Father's mercy? if so is Jesus expressing His zeal for righteousness by asking that if it is in His will, it pass from Him? but nevertheless, the Father's will is done - and through Christ mercy may be shown to all who put their hope in Him. but the Father is holy & just, and through Christ also His perfect judgement will be done, reconciling all things in Himself, being all-in-all.
IOW, there at Gethsemane are we seeing mercy covering over judgement, the grace of God removing the condemnation of the Law, by the Father's will being done, and the cup of Christ being taken in full? because what would have happened if that cup had passed?
but it's not "an argument" - His mercy prevails; He is faithful, and "nevertheless, thy will be done"

((one work))

royalscot · Jul 31, 2017

posthuman said:

when did they need to suffer, to have faith in a saviour. (there is a differance, between sickness and sin)

when a finished work, proclaimed freedom to all prisoners , if some do not know, what that finished work was or what it accomplished, they became blind guides. and only post at posts that, agree with them selfs, yet only prove, that they are blind.

dcontroversal · Jul 31, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

Bro......you need to study more with all due respect....

David ruled circa 1000 B.C

Nineveh was the capitol of Assyria which destroyed the Northern Kingdom of Israel in 721 B.C. some 250 years or so AFTER the death of David

The Babylonians conquered Assyria LONG after David was dead and buried...............which included the razing of Nineveh and destruction of Nineveh in 612 B.C.

Do the math and take some time to study bro.

JIMBO43 · Jul 31, 2017

posthuman said:

a generation later - God showed mercy to them, which made Jonah angry to the point that he'd rather die than see that happen. he disagreed with God about who mercy should be shown to, but he knew that God's grace, lovingkindness and mercy is everlasting - as Ariel quoted a few posts above.

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
so ((side note)) - Christ at Gethsemane. He prays, if it be the Father's will, let the cup pass - but His will be done. is this an argument in the middle of the godhead? is God divided? i've been thinking about this: God is perfectly holy and just, and He is also perfectly graceful and abounding in faithful love. the Father is not willing that any should perish, but has put all under sin so that all may receive mercy. Christ will come again in all righteous judgement, and the Father calls judgement His "strange work" ((re: Isaiah 28:21)).
so the cup - is it the Father's mercy? if so is Jesus expressing His zeal for righteousness by asking that if it is in His will, it pass from Him? but nevertheless, the Father's will is done - and through Christ mercy may be shown to all who put their hope in Him. but the Father is holy & just, and through Christ also His perfect judgement will be done, reconciling all things in Himself, being all-in-all.
IOW, there at Gethsemane are we seeing mercy covering over judgement, the grace of God removing the condemnation of the Law, by the Father's will being done, and the cup of Christ being taken in full? because what would have happened if that cup had passed?
but it's not "an argument" - His mercy prevails; He is faithful, and "nevertheless, thy will be done"

((one work))

amen which is why i said Jesus christ left us with the thought that we should obey...

he was not casting those pharissees into hel when he commanded them to obey him.. he showed them mercy in my book ,,, but many here say he was condemming them to hell i say he was only warning them of hell.. and that this wrong .. im a bbeliever of a false gospel for saying as much.. really ?

Stunnedbygrace · Jul 31, 2017

dcontroversal said:

a. His children
b. For doing wrong
C. This one is a longer answer. I believe it means to ignore someone and let them take the course they are taking until they learn to listen by crashing and burning.

garee · Jul 31, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

God does not give second chances. Adam and Eve ate by doing the good pleasure of another will and died. He gives eternal life the first time he gives us the hearing of is faith our first love by which we can know him who has no form .

There is no deserving mercy we fear Him because with Him there is forgiveness without him there is no grace. He either redeems us frpm all of our iniquities or he forgives nothing

Out of the depths have I cried unto thee, O LORD.Lord, hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications.If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.My soul waiteth for the Lord more than they that watch for the morning: I say, more than they that watch for the morning.Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities. Psa 130:1

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