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context jesus is alive and in heaven.

why do you, think they wrote an account about pentecoste .

24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith

oops the scriptures prove you wrong.
HOW DOES IT PROVE ME WRONG WHEN WE ARE NOW INSIDE THE GUARDIAN..JESUS CHRIST WAS UNDER THE LAW OF ANOTHER GUARDIAN...WE ARE NOW INSIDE A GUARDIAN.....


SORRY FOR CAPS OOPS:)
 

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New International Version 1984 Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
It's kind of confusing to believe those who say that their FAITH ALONE saved them but clearly manifest the contrary for disobeying the one they claim to be their Lord.

Matthew 7:19-23 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
 
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It's kind of confusing to believe those who say that their FAITH ALONE saved them but clearly manifest the contrary for disobeying the one they claim to be their Lord.

Matthew 7:19-23 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Who teaches sinless perfection? If they do not (or your not),, Your comment is kind of confusing, Because you would have to admit you sin also.
 
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Law and grace debate was THE big topic in Pauls establishment of the gospel and the church, it will be until the end. The law gives power to satan (the accuser) and he knows that better than anyone.
paul was talking to the jewish converts in Galatians,
they never need to here about the gospel, they were the one that wrote an account of the gospel in the bible so you could read it.

namely the apostle peter,
they aready knew jesus at a personal level, after all being an apostle of jesus. and eye witnesses to his life.
Paul Opposes Peter
11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.Galatians 2


8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles)
 
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It's kind of confusing to believe those who say that their FAITH ALONE saved them but clearly manifest the contrary for disobeying the one they claim to be their Lord.

Matthew 7:19-23 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Paul called his fruit based on keeping the law...dung
So the question is where is the fruit coming from...the efforts of men or the work of the Spirit in a true believer
 
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Yup God will come again soon. and our messiah will win many battles the end battle.. with hundreds of thousands of legions coz there everywhere..
 
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we are all surrounded by millions of angels waiting to explode into millions of angels... hence the milky way.. question is which one are you ? a shining star waiting to give birth or a death star looking to destroy so that you survive.. like the story of the lioness mum who kills one of her own so the others survive.. ?
Not sure how to answer this.

All I known is that I am a beloved child of God because that is what He tells me and I believe Him.

Fyi...in waiting room of the eye doctor.
 
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Who teaches sinless perfection? If they do not (or your not),, Your comment is kind of confusing, Because you would have to admit you sin also.
you would need a law, to define what a sin is, for that law to condemn you.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.Romans 8

having faith in a finished work. would ask whos work is finished. and whos finished work, gave you grace.

 
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are you saying christ speaks to the dead ?Matthew 17:3New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus
He does speak to dead bone and makes them alive again...

Yeah just a side comment. I agree those folks are alive now.
 

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Who teaches sinless perfection? If they do not (or your not),, Your comment is kind of confusing, Because you would have to admit you sin also.
I'm not american. Are you? Why can't you understand english translation? Just asking bro?
 
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Not the issue..."blessed is the man in whom the Lord WILL NOT impute sin" that's the true debate...do people believe the evident words of the New Testament ?
you would need a law, to define what a sin is, for that law to condemn you.


and who appointed you judge.

2 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."Acts 10
 
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Mitspa

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paul was talking to the jewish converts in Galatians,
they never need to here about the gospel, they were the one that wrote an account of the gospel in the bible so you could read it.

namely the apostle peter,
they aready knew jesus at a personal level, after all being an apostle of jesus. and eye witnesses to his life.
Paul Opposes Peter
11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.Galatians 2


8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles)
No Paul was rebuking the Jews that was trying to pervert the true gospel that He was giving by God and said if anyone preach a differnt gospel than what he taught..th ey was in fact cursed by God.
 
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And I see you disregard the bible, truth and context in pride to just prove a non-existent point......MOSES did NOT make it into the PROMISE LAND but DIED under the LAW having viewed the LAND of PROMISE from a MOUNTAIN TOP......DO YOU EVER acknowledge the truth without kicking.......??

The MOUNT of TRANSFIGURATION has ZERO to do with the biblical reference I MADE......

So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. And he buried him in the valley in the land of Moab over against Beth-peor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.—Deuteronomy 34:5-6.

And the LORD said unto Moses, Get thee up into this mount Abarim, and see the land which I have given unto the children of Israel. After you have seen it, you will also be gathered to your people, as Aaron your brother was. For ye rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin.
I think Jimbo is referring to Heaevnly Jerusalem when he says "promised land" in reference to Moses entering into God's rest, not the earthly version spoken of in this scripture.

I also believe Moses is in Heaven with Jesus now and not asleep as some say.

Revelation shows us this.

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Revelation 6

9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. 10They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothersc should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.
 
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Mitspa

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you would need a law, to define what a sin is, for that law to condemn you.


and who appointed you judge.

2 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."Acts 10
The testimony of the law stands for its purpose to condemn and as knowledge of sin..it is not laid upon the believer to judge their righteous standing with God.
 
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Yup God will come again soon. and our messiah will win many battles the end battle.. with hundreds of thousands of legions coz there everywhere..
yup every balloon ,with air can be burst.


28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.Hebrews 9:


Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace


 
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The testimony of the law stands for its purpose to condemn and as knowledge of sin..it is not laid upon the believer to judge their righteous standing with God.
what law do you use to give you knowledge of sin.

14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the lawRomans 2
 
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Matthew 17:3New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus...

totaly lost me pal ,,,,,,
Yeah.....my thoughts too...still stuck on the fact someone doesn't think God give second chances?

Maybe it will all make sense after I finish reading.