is the bible always the authority (heresy alert, dont click!)
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now i believe the bible is 100% true....
also i trust it more than any man on earth
but....
in context though is that verse not speaking of Jesus himself?
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
(i may be wrong... if i am sorry)
also i trust it more than any man on earth
but....
in context though is that verse not speaking of Jesus himself?
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
(i may be wrong... if i am sorry)
the question isn't whether or not the bible is the final authority,
the question is who and what is the Word
In the begining was the Word, (Bible) no, Jesus yes. The word was with God(bible) no. Jesus yes The Word was God (bible) no Jesus yes.
Even John said that everything that Jesus did wouldn't fit in a world of books.
Jesus is, was, and always will be the final Word
the question is who and what is the Word
In the begining was the Word, (Bible) no, Jesus yes. The word was with God(bible) no. Jesus yes The Word was God (bible) no Jesus yes.
Even John said that everything that Jesus did wouldn't fit in a world of books.
Jesus is, was, and always will be the final Word
hahaaaaaa i know all heresy hunters will click on this........
but see i had a dream about this and im thinking does the bible always remain the final authority??????? its said today in many creeds and such..... but if u look at the bible, there are times when people are commanded to do something that the church would condemn today u see..... i mean the story where that mon is asked to marry a harlot and has to 'buy' her own wife back u see....... if u married a prost/harlot today ud be scolded for sure and bombed with bible quotes but this mon did it anyway...........
another situation is where rahab was commended for lying to the king's messengers which is in violation of the bible's commandments too (lies)............ and then we have the big patriach that big boi big man jacob who also lied to his own father and no consequences came......... there are probably more examples u see.
so what im saying is how does this fit with the bible final authority thing we read in all of the creeds these people disobeyed bible and it was fine and dandy sometimes even God ordained??????? the church would condemn all these people 100% if they did those things today........
and dont worry im not fikkle i got my helmet on its gonna be a bumpy ride for me hahahaha for this thread......
but see i had a dream about this and im thinking does the bible always remain the final authority??????? its said today in many creeds and such..... but if u look at the bible, there are times when people are commanded to do something that the church would condemn today u see..... i mean the story where that mon is asked to marry a harlot and has to 'buy' her own wife back u see....... if u married a prost/harlot today ud be scolded for sure and bombed with bible quotes but this mon did it anyway...........
another situation is where rahab was commended for lying to the king's messengers which is in violation of the bible's commandments too (lies)............ and then we have the big patriach that big boi big man jacob who also lied to his own father and no consequences came......... there are probably more examples u see.
so what im saying is how does this fit with the bible final authority thing we read in all of the creeds these people disobeyed bible and it was fine and dandy sometimes even God ordained??????? the church would condemn all these people 100% if they did those things today........
and dont worry im not fikkle i got my helmet on its gonna be a bumpy ride for me hahahaha for this thread......
Context ......
Like the passage written in Deuteronomy 18:18,
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak." John 12:49
So when Jesus said "I and my Father are one" then are you claiming that wasn't the man who was saying that "I and my Father are one" but rather it was the LORD speaking through the man saying that "I and my Father are one." ?
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak." John 12:49
So when Jesus said "I and my Father are one" then are you claiming that wasn't the man who was saying that "I and my Father are one" but rather it was the LORD speaking through the man saying that "I and my Father are one." ?
hahaaaaaa i know all heresy hunters will click on this........
but see i had a dream about this and im thinking does the bible always remain the final authority??????? its said today in many creeds and such..... but if u look at the bible, there are times when people are commanded to do something that the church would condemn today u see..... i mean the story where that mon is asked to marry a harlot and has to 'buy' her own wife back u see....... if u married a prost/harlot today ud be scolded for sure and bombed with bible quotes but this mon did it anyway...........
another situation is where rahab was commended for lying to the king's messengers which is in violation of the bible's commandments too (lies)............ and then we have the big patriach that big boi big man jacob who also lied to his own father and no consequences came......... there are probably more examples u see.
so what im saying is how does this fit with the bible final authority thing we read in all of the creeds these people disobeyed bible and it was fine and dandy sometimes even God ordained??????? the church would condemn all these people 100% if they did those things today........
and dont worry im not fikkle i got my helmet on its gonna be a bumpy ride for me hahahaha for this thread......
but see i had a dream about this and im thinking does the bible always remain the final authority??????? its said today in many creeds and such..... but if u look at the bible, there are times when people are commanded to do something that the church would condemn today u see..... i mean the story where that mon is asked to marry a harlot and has to 'buy' her own wife back u see....... if u married a prost/harlot today ud be scolded for sure and bombed with bible quotes but this mon did it anyway...........
another situation is where rahab was commended for lying to the king's messengers which is in violation of the bible's commandments too (lies)............ and then we have the big patriach that big boi big man jacob who also lied to his own father and no consequences came......... there are probably more examples u see.
so what im saying is how does this fit with the bible final authority thing we read in all of the creeds these people disobeyed bible and it was fine and dandy sometimes even God ordained??????? the church would condemn all these people 100% if they did those things today........
and dont worry im not fikkle i got my helmet on its gonna be a bumpy ride for me hahahaha for this thread......
Yes the Bible is our only authority, but we have to rightly divide the Word- Old Testament and New Testament. We are no longer under Moses, but under Christ (Romans 7:1-4, Matthew 28:18). It would now be wrong to do the things they did in the Old Testament- like take a sinner outside the city and stone them to death, or sacrifice a physically perfect lamb now that we have the Lamb of God (Christ).
In the Old Testament were physical examples of the spiritual things to come. But now that the spiritual way is here (the reality found in Christ) we no longer need them to be represented. Like we no longer need a physically perfect lamb to represent Christ, because Christ is here now.
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"When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said" (John 2:22)
"LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven" (Psalm 119:89)
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" (2 Timothy 3:16)
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31-32)
We debate the authority and at times even the authenticity of Scripture, but when Jesus was tempted by Satan in the wilderness, He used the Scriptures to rebuke Satan. If even Jesus used Scripture (as it is instructed in 2 Timothy 3:16), then who are we (his "disciples") to question it? If Jesus Himself (and how many times does He say: it is written) uses Scripture as the truth and as an authoritive written account of God's laws and commands etc, then I will gladly take His word for it.
"LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven" (Psalm 119:89)
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" (2 Timothy 3:16)
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31-32)
We debate the authority and at times even the authenticity of Scripture, but when Jesus was tempted by Satan in the wilderness, He used the Scriptures to rebuke Satan. If even Jesus used Scripture (as it is instructed in 2 Timothy 3:16), then who are we (his "disciples") to question it? If Jesus Himself (and how many times does He say: it is written) uses Scripture as the truth and as an authoritive written account of God's laws and commands etc, then I will gladly take His word for it.