Being saved from the POWER of sin--(ongoing sanctification) [for those who have been saved from the PENALTY of sin]--(justification) is the process and it will come to an end for believers when they are glorified (Romans 8:30). 
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faith is two way sword a double edged sword if you like between two parties.. Gold can not form unless it is purified you can not receive unless you are sanctified enough to bare faith.. the gold can not purify unless other elements purify around it.. cant happen and wont happen...........
Thanks for insulting me..... you know how much I appreciate that.
Now that you've tossed your insults, think you can say something biblical with some meat on it?
Now that you've tossed your insults, think you can say something biblical with some meat on it?
is a bad word.
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Good deeds are bad
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Both insult God.
He must be so mad at those who say those words...
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Oh yeah.
Isaiah 5:20 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who [a]substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
Post 24242 is not mine it is followJesus.
I say sanctification is Holy Spirit who sets us apart for God. Also by the Word.
let's look shall we?
~Joh_17:19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.
in truth.
Act_20:32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Body of Christ
Act_26:18 to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'
faith
Rom_15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
Holy Spirit
1Co_1:2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:
In Christ Jesus
1Co_6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
His name
Heb_2:11 For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers,
by God
Heb_10:10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
His own offering of Son
Heb_10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
perfected position
Heb_10:29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
blood
I said salvation is progressive. We are saved, positional, being saved, present, and will be saved, future.
I say sanctification is Holy Spirit who sets us apart for God. Also by the Word.
let's look shall we?
~Joh_17:19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.
in truth.
Act_20:32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Body of Christ
Act_26:18 to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'
faith
Rom_15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
Holy Spirit
1Co_1:2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:
In Christ Jesus
1Co_6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
His name
Heb_2:11 For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers,
by God
Heb_10:10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
His own offering of Son
Heb_10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
perfected position
Heb_10:29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
blood
I said salvation is progressive. We are saved, positional, being saved, present, and will be saved, future.
You fail to grasp that the Kingdom of God cannot abide in this sin corrupted world. It, this sin corrupted world, must be consumed with fervent heat and then be made new and without sin before it can receive the Kingdom of God.
It would seem that your concept of the Kingdom of God is not well aligned with the scripture.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It would seem that your concept of the Kingdom of God is not well aligned with the scripture.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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James 2:18 - Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
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Ephesians Chapter 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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Romans 5
5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
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James 2:26 - For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Galatians 6:9 - And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
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Galatians Chapter 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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Revelation 22:12 - And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be
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God gifts are added to those who seek him in truth...
and he will provide us a way to have a faith that isnt a dead faith
and he will save those who have faith in Jesus Christ
good works are a product of the Holy spirit in us.... which we will be rewarded for
am i wrong?
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Ephesians Chapter 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
_________________________________________
Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
_____________________________________
Romans 5
5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
_______________________________
James 2:26 - For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
____________________________________
Galatians 6:9 - And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
________________________________________
Galatians Chapter 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
_______________________________________
Revelation 22:12 - And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be
_______________________________________
God gifts are added to those who seek him in truth...
and he will provide us a way to have a faith that isnt a dead faith
and he will save those who have faith in Jesus Christ
good works are a product of the Holy spirit in us.... which we will be rewarded for
am i wrong?
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It certainly does match up and it's called harmonizing scripture with scripture.
Yes, Jesus NEVER knew them because they were NEVER saved.
Children of the devil practice lawlessness, not children of God (1 John 3:7-10) which matches up with bad tree/bad fruit; fruitless branches.
UNBELIEVERS.
BAD FRUIT because false prophets are bad trees.
It's either GOOD or BAD. Nothing is mentioned about the good tree going bad at some point. It was bad all along.
Because they are BAD trees, which represents unbelievers.
Because they were UNBELIEVERS. Jesus NEVER knew them.
Good description of Judas Iscariot who was never saved, but was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11). *See how this all fits together?
Exactly! Scripture must harmonize with scripture. I say that all the time.
Yes, Jesus NEVER knew them because they were NEVER saved.
Children of the devil practice lawlessness, not children of God (1 John 3:7-10) which matches up with bad tree/bad fruit; fruitless branches.
UNBELIEVERS.
BAD FRUIT because false prophets are bad trees.
It's either GOOD or BAD. Nothing is mentioned about the good tree going bad at some point. It was bad all along.
Because they are BAD trees, which represents unbelievers.
Because they were UNBELIEVERS. Jesus NEVER knew them.
Good description of Judas Iscariot who was never saved, but was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11). *See how this all fits together?
Exactly! Scripture must harmonize with scripture. I say that all the time.
How do you know Judas Iscariot was never saved?
You don't even trust what the early Church fathers wrote...
How could you possibly know if someone was saved or not?
Why is it that those who believe in eternal security are so knowing about WHO IS SAVED AND WHO IS NOT.
If you want to believe in eternal security and have to twist every scripture so that it "harmonizes" with what you have come to believe --- fine.
I just hope persons reading along are not so gullibl as to think that ONCE THEY ACCEPT CHRIST, they will be saved forever, no matter whether or not they produce good fruit.
Jesus was clear. I cannot make it any clearer than HE did.
Regarding Judas I:
In Mathew 10 Jesus sends out THE TWELVE Apostles, having given the AUTHORITY, over unclean spirits, to heal, to preach that the KINGDOM of Heaven is at hand, etc.
Do you suppose that Jesus would give this authority to Judas if Judas was an UNBELIEVER???
One who commited the unpardonable sin???
One who would be counted wth the cities that turned down the Apostles' message?
Mathew 10:1-15
Mathew 10:15
