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J7

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For the House of Israel yes, not for the House of Judah
@ J7

Do you agree that verse 10 is the end of the old covenant?

Zechariah 11:10-14 KJV
And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.

[11] And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord .

[12] And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.

[13] And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord .

[14] Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
 
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So the antichrist is set up in a matter of a day in the right situation. The situation? Chaos like we have now. He is elected or whatever and he is in. Then bang! Those that are to be raptured are gone. Just that fast. I believe that the only prophesy yet to be fulfilled before the rapture is the antichrist being set up. We ARE that close.
What is the sign that we will know without a doubt that he is the Man of Sin.
 
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For the House of Israel yes, not for the House of Judah
Beauty was Israel and Bands was Judah, both were broken when the 30 pieces of silver was cast to the potter.

The staves were the staffs of the 2 shepherds - Israel and Judah. Those two staves were broken when Christ became The Shepherd. The old covenant ended when Christ became The Shepherd. Is this not what Zechariah is telling us?
 
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What is the sign that we will know without a doubt that he is the Man of Sin.
He will immediately set up a covenant with Israel so they can worship and sacrifice in their temple.
 
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you cannot be serious.
For some that will not matter. Not all "Christians" will be raptured. Those that are watching for Him will be raptured. Those that are not......They get to meet Him at the Second Coming. The ones that are raptured are the Bride. Rev 12 The man child, the One New Man The bride.....

Ok Some of you will snap and snarl over this one, but I said it. You prove me wrong. I challenge you to do it with no vitriol.
 
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For some that will not matter. Not all "Christians" will be raptured. Those that are watching for Him will be raptured. Those that are not......They get to meet Him at the Second Coming. The ones that are raptured are the Bride. Rev 12 The man child, the One New Man The bride.....

Ok Some of you will snap and snarl over this one, but I said it. You prove me wrong. I challenge you to do it with no vitriol.
I am not going to snarl, but I will disagree.
I just do not believe in the 50/50 gathering of the saints as some have said.
I believe that most of us are watching and waiting, but we disagree on the timing.
 

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Plus,they could not hurt the 144k Jews,so the historicist HAS TO BELIEVE the Romans ,or the arrows,asked the Jews if they could sting them.

....and,the scorpions were told not to eat grass or trees.

Historicists HAVE TO DISMISS no brainers.

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Simple Logic says in close quarters, hand to hand combat, you do not want to give your enemy a handful of hair to pull you off balance with. THEREFORE they ALL would want their hair shorter than the bottom edge of their helmet.


Polished helmet required. Genuine BATTLE HELMET, no fancy plume on top. Dress Helmet for Victory Parades, NOT WORN IN BATTLE. Hollywood, rarely learned that distinction.
 
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I am not going to snarl, but I will disagree.
I just do not believe in the 50/50 gathering of the saints as some have said.
I believe that most of us are watching and waiting, but we disagree on the timing.
I'll accept that answer
 

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I am not going to snarl, but I will disagree.
I just do not believe in the 50/50 gathering of the saints as some have said.
I believe that most of us are watching and waiting, but we disagree on the timing.
Matthew 25:1-13 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]
Five of them were foolish, and five were wise.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But at midnight there was a cry,
‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you,
I do not know you.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]
Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.


Matthew 24:39-42 (NIV)
[SUP]Mt 24:39 [/SUP] and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.

Luke 17:34-35 (ESV)
[SUP]Lk 17:34 [/SUP] I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.”


Fifty Percent Ready and Watching for the Bridegroom, and Fifty Percent NOT READY and Watching, being left behind.

THAT IS WHAT JESUS SAID, and I believe HIM. You say you believe something else.

The SON OF MAN appears to call out HIS BRIDE

The KING of Kings COMES to make War with the Nations.
 

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lol this has happened many times through history.




Not the auxiliaries like the ones who invaded Palestine.

The hair like women's hair demonstrated they were against God

However I think they were the demons behind the Roman armies or whoever.
Revelation 9:6-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.
{NEVER HAS HAPPENED YET, BUT IT WILL!}


THAT MEANS EVEN SUICIDE WILL FAIL.

 
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Matthew 25:1-13 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]
Five of them were foolish, and five were wise.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But at midnight there was a cry,
‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you,
I do not know you.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]
Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.


Matthew 24:39-42 (NIV)
[SUP]Mt 24:39 [/SUP] and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.

Luke 17:34-35 (ESV)
[SUP]Lk 17:34 [/SUP] I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.”


Fifty Percent Ready and Watching for the Bridegroom, and Fifty Percent NOT READY and Watching, being left behind.

THAT IS WHAT JESUS SAID, and I believe HIM. You say you believe something else.

The SON OF MAN appears to call out HIS BRIDE

The KING of Kings COMES to make War with the Nations.
I believe you are wrong in believing that all those mentioned are saints.
Paul said about the gathering of the saints in I Thessalonians 4 that the dead shall rise first than we which are a live.
He did not say 50%, or half or some.
I believe the scriptures you mentions are speaking of the many who have a false assurance of salvation as well as those who are truly saved.
 
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Matthew 25:1-13 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]
Five of them were foolish, and five were wise.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But at midnight there was a cry,
‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you,
I do not know you.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]
Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.


Matthew 24:39-42 (NIV)
[SUP]Mt 24:39 [/SUP] and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.

Luke 17:34-35 (ESV)
[SUP]Lk 17:34 [/SUP] I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.”


Fifty Percent Ready and Watching for the Bridegroom, and Fifty Percent NOT READY and Watching, being left behind.

THAT IS WHAT JESUS SAID, and I believe HIM. You say you believe something else.

The SON OF MAN appears to call out HIS BRIDE

The KING of Kings COMES to make War with the Nations.
Who is the Bride?
 

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[SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Corruptible flesh DOES NOT become incorrupt. READ IT AGAIN. Our old body DOES NOT inherit a NEW BODY!!

[SUP]. . .[/SUP]
1 Corinthians 15:42-44 (YLT)
[SUP]1Co 15:42 [/SUP] So also is the rising again of the dead: it is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption;
[SUP]43 [/SUP] it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
[SUP]44 [/SUP] it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;


1 Corinthians 15:51 (NASB)
[SUP]1Co 15:51 [/SUP] Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep,
but we will all be changed,


1 Corinthians 15:53 (NASB)
[SUP]1Co 15:53 [/SUP] For this perishable must put on the imperishable,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
 

VCO

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I believe you are wrong in believing that all those mentioned are saints.
Paul said about the gathering of the saints in I Thessalonians 4 that the dead shall rise first than we which are a live.
He did not say 50%, or half or some.
I believe the scriptures you mentions are speaking of the many who have a false assurance of salvation as well as those who are truly saved.
Matthew 25:1-13 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]
Five of them were foolish, and five were wise.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But at midnight there was a cry,
‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And
the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil,
for our lamps are going out
.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And
while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Afterward
the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you,
I do not know you.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]
Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.


He is ONLY talking about those who ACKNOWLEDGE WHO HE IS, and Believe HE is the THE BRIDEGROOM.

NO UNBELIEVERS ARE EVEN MENTIONED.

What HE means by
I do not know youis, that inner personal LOVE relationship with HIM as LORD, meaning MASTER. Therefore you are NOT Ready and Expecting the Bridegroom, if you have not genuinely surrendered to HIM as MASTER, purely out of LOVE. Without that LOVE relationship, you will be one those left behind, and will have to become one of the Martyred Tribulation Saints to make it to Heaven. Acknowledging Who He Is, including the Bridegroom, is NOT enough to be Called Out to go to the Wedding of the Lamb. YOU NEED THAT PERSONAL LOVE RELATIONSHIP TOO.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]Jn 14:15 [/SUP]
If you love Me, you will keep My commands.


AND HERE IS ONE OF THOSE COMMANDS.



[SUP]13 [/SUP] Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.


SAYING TO YOURSELF, THERE IS NO NEED TO DO THAT NOW
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IS DISOBEDIENCE.


SAYING TO YOURSELF, I DO NOT BELIEVE HE COULD COME FOR US TODAY
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IS DISOBEDIENCE.



HE COMMANDED US TO START WATCHING FOR OUR BRIDEGROOM NEARLY 2000 YEARS AGO.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START OBEYING THAT COMMAND?
 
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J7

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The Jews were the bow, (the generator of power) , the arrows are Ephraim ( the northern kingdom), which is the Church amongst the Gentiles, the Nations.

Zechariah 9

13 When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim,


So the thing that hits the mark, the Church, is powered by the Judeans.


Beauty was Israel and Bands was Judah, both were broken when the 30 pieces of silver was cast to the potter.

The staves were the staffs of the 2 shepherds - Israel and Judah. Those two staves were broken when Christ became The Shepherd. The old covenant ended when Christ became The Shepherd. Is this not what Zechariah is telling us?