Melchizadek

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Salem means “peace.” Jerusalem means “city of peace"
 
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Yes, clearly Salem is Jerusalem but I have seen no way to connect Shem to it.
From what I've learned even that can't be solved for sure, if in fact Salem was Jerusalem, there is some mentioning of Shem in the book of Jashar though many say that book isn't the real deal.

"11 And Adonizedek king of Jerusalem, the same was Shem, went out with his men to meet Abram and his people, with bread and wine, and they remained together in the valley of Melech. 12 And Adonizedek blessed Abram, and Abram gave him a tenth from all that he had brought from the spoil of his enemies, for Adonizedek was a priest before God." (Book of Jasher 16:11-12)
 

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From what I've learned even that can't be solved for sure, if in fact Salem was Jerusalem, there is some mentioning of Shem in the book of Jashar though many say that book isn't the real deal.

"11 And Adonizedek king of Jerusalem, the same was Shem, went out with his men to meet Abram and his people, with bread and wine, and they remained together in the valley of Melech. 12 And Adonizedek blessed Abram, and Abram gave him a tenth from all that he had brought from the spoil of his enemies, for Adonizedek was a priest before God." (Book of Jasher 16:11-12)
Adonizedek was the king of Jerusalem in time of Joshua. Like Melchizedek, he was one of the ancient kings of pre-Israel Jerusalem who were called Tsedeks. Melchizedek is from Meleck meaning King and Tsedek meaning righteousness. Thus, king of righteousness. In Joshua 10:1 we find mention Adoni-Tsedek meaning lord of righteousness. The difference between these to men represents the deterioration of the worship from the time of Melch-Tsedek to Adoni-Tsedek.
 
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Adonizedek was the king of Jerusalem in time of Joshua. Like Melchizedek, he was one of the ancient kings of pre-Israel Jerusalem who were called Tsedeks. Melchizedek is from Meleck meaning King and Tsedek meaning righteousness. Thus, king of righteousness. In Joshua 10:1 we find mention Adoni-Tsedek meaning lord of righteousness. The difference between these to men represents the deterioration of the worship from the time of Melch-Tsedek to Adoni-Tsedek.
Indeed the changing of the title might have indeed something to do with deterioration,

The one mentioned as adonizedek, possibly could have been Abdi-Heba
 

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Indeed the changing of the title might have indeed something to do with deterioration,

The one mentioned as adonizedek, possibly could have been Abdi-Heba
Possibly I suppose. I do not remember his actual name given in scripture. All we have is his kingly title.
 
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Possibly I suppose. I do not remember his actual name given in scripture. All we have is his kingly title.
The support behind that theory is outside the context of the bible, but from the Amarna letters.
 

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I heard a brother say that Melchizadek was Seth. Prove him wrong. Can you?
Here's how I can prove it wasn't. When John the Baptist came on the scene, the Bible says he came "in the spirit and power of Elijah." But when asked if he was Elijah, he said no. And God would not take any random person, such as Seth, and have them come back as someone else, because He does everything for a reason- and that would go against His reasoning and His Will. Why?...

Because for one, God says we are to live only once, then die and face judgement. So for any human to live more than once would be to have God go against His own words. For two, Melchizadek had no mother or father- that would include in a past life, and the Bible says he was born to Adam and Eve. For three, bringing a tenth as an offering to someone is a form of worship, and the Bible would not promote us worshipping Seth- a mere human. For four, God says that He shares His business with His friends, and He did not share with us that Melchizadek was Seth.

There are only three humans that came back for purposes that we can know and understand- Samuel, Moses, and Elijah, and they came back as forms of light, not as we are. In order for Seth to come back in such a way, we'd have to understand the reasoning, how it fits into God's business. And it doesn't even make sense.
 
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Here's how I can prove it wasn't. When John the Baptist came on the scene, the Bible says he came "in the spirit and power of Elijah." But when asked if he was Elijah, he said no. And God would not take any random person, such as Seth, and have them come back as someone else, because He does everything for a reason- and that would go against His reasoning and His Will. Why?...

Because for one, God says we are to live only once, then die and face judgement. So for any human to live more than once would be to have God go against His own words. For two, Melchizadek had no mother or father- that would include in a past life, and the Bible says he was born to Adam and Eve. For three, bringing a tenth as an offering to someone is a form of worship, and the Bible would not promote us worshipping Seth- a mere human. For four, God says that He shares His business with His friends, and He did not share with us that Melchizadek was Seth.

There are only three humans that came back for purposes that we can know and understand- Samuel, Moses, and Elijah, and they came back as forms of light, not as we are. In order for Seth to come back in such a way, we'd have to understand the reasoning, how it fits into God's business. And it doesn't even make sense.
Interesting statement, only three came back, came back from where?

The statement about not having a mother and father is symbolic, even Jesus had earthly mother and father.
 

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Sorry, Guys, I found the real Melchizadek. He's the guy on the right.

[video=youtube;1Qh2tbG3sCw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qh2tbG3sCw[/video]
He's looking pretty good for his age....
 
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Here's how I can prove it wasn't. When John the Baptist came on the scene, the Bible says he came "in the spirit and power of Elijah." But when asked if he was Elijah, he said no. And God would not take any random person, such as Seth, and have them come back as someone else, because He does everything for a reason- and that would go against His reasoning and His Will. Why?...

Because for one, God says we are to live only once, then die and face judgement. So for any human to live more than once would be to have God go against His own words. For two, Melchizadek had no mother or father- that would include in a past life, and the Bible says he was born to Adam and Eve. For three, bringing a tenth as an offering to someone is a form of worship, and the Bible would not promote us worshipping Seth- a mere human. For four, God says that He shares His business with His friends, and He did not share with us that Melchizadek was Seth.

There are only three humans that came back for purposes that we can know and understand- Samuel, Moses, and Elijah, and they came back as forms of light, not as we are. In order for Seth to come back in such a way, we'd have to understand the reasoning, how it fits into God's business. And it doesn't even make sense.
John the baptist came in the spirit and power of Elijah. He did. He operated in the same spirit that Elihah did. Just like the Word says. but he was not Elijah, as he said

The bible says clearly about Melchizedek...He had no parents or lineage. Seth did so Seth was not Melchizedek. Seth was born and died. So Seth was not Melchizedek......
The three that came back.....Are you talking of the transfiguration event? Moses was there but guess what? He didn't come back...
 
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MATT. 17:9.
And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man,
until The Son of man be risen again from the dead.

the 'transfiguration' was a 'vision' at that time, and visions are always of the 'future', there's no such thing
as a past-vision, that is already history...
 
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MATT. 17:9.
And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man,
until The Son of man be risen again from the dead.

the 'transfiguration' was a 'vision' at that time, and visions are always of the 'future', there's no such thing
as a past-vision, that is already history...
Depends on the context, past Events can be known in the future.
 
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Seth died before Noah,so he sure was not on the ark,or at the time of Abraham,and it could not be Shem for Melchizedek has no beginning of days,or end of life.
 
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Seth died before Noah,so he sure was not on the ark,or at the time of Abraham,and it could not be Shem for Melchizedek has no beginning of days,or end of life.
The scripture clearly states that Mechizedek is a Order not a person, and that Order doesn't have a mother or father, it's completely symbolic.
 

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The scripture clearly states that Mechizedek is a Order not a person, and that Order doesn't have a mother or father, it's completely symbolic.
Was Aaron an "Order" too? (I capitalized it order too, as you did, seemingly making it appear to be a pronoun) Hebrews 7:11 uses the same language concerning him, and it isn't a pronoun.

Why are you making order into a pronoun?

Scripture is quite clear that Melchizedek is a person, not merely something figurative or symbolic.
 
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Was Aaron an "Order" too? (I capitalized it order too, as you did, seemingly making it appear to be a pronoun) Hebrews 7:11 uses the same language concerning him, and it isn't a pronoun.

Why are you making order into a pronoun?

Scripture is quite clear that Melchizedek is a person, not merely something figurative or symbolic.
Well a captized word is also a punctuation, that why I was using it as.

If so then how do you view this verse.

That would be it.

Psalm 110:4
The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.”

The title is given to a earthly person yes this is true, not just one person.
 

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Well a captized word is also a punctuation, that why I was using it as.
But you don't get that liberty when Scripture doesn't use the word order in that sense. Again, why are you turning order into a pronoun when Scripture does not?


If so then how do you view this verse.

That would be it.

Psalm 110:4
The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.”
I'm waiting on your answer, no need to go further.

You must employ a consistent hermeneutic, and if we do that with your method then Aaron was merely symbolic as well.

But we cannot do that, we cannot just make a word into whatever part of speech we desire and then build a teaching on it. Bro, you're wresting Scripture here to arrive at your conclusion.

Look up the word order, taxis, see its definition, how it is used elsewhere in Scripture and you'll see that you're misusing the word. It is never a pronoun bro.
 
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It's was a simple punctuation it was nothing more than that, not a pronoun, good god. or G-d or God or GOD.

Capitulation is part of the English language it's not something written in stone and not something that is used in all language.

P4T are you trying to stir the pot with me, seems that way your making no sense.
 
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But you don't get that liberty when Scripture doesn't use the word order in that sense. Again, why are you turning order into a pronoun when Scripture does not?




I'm waiting on your answer, no need to go further.

You must employ a consistent hermeneutic, and if we do that with your method then Aaron was merely symbolic as well.

But we cannot do that, we cannot just make a word into whatever part of speech we desire and then build a teaching on it. Bro, you're wresting Scripture here to arrive at your conclusion.

Look up the word order, taxis, see its definition, how it is used elsewhere in Scripture and you'll see that you're misusing the word. It is never a pronoun bro.
then I can only assume you think psalm 110:4 use of the word order is out of order,
 
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This talk about one having no mother or father, can very well be just that, the person didn't have a living mother or father, at the time when God made them a high priest,