The Rapture

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no its true they use it........ and also what i said about chapters and verses its true!!!!!!!!!!!
Im only suggesting to discuss verses instead of ignoring them and moving on to others. Verses don't contradict other verses.
 

valiant

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Ok then what's your take on those verses? Is God going to separate the flesh Jews from his chosen people at the second coming and destroy the flesh Jews then?
Yes that's quite right
 

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i do know of a rapper who said in a verse "roll exodus and then inhale" and he was actually using a page from exodus to roll one...... mamma mia no raspect these guys have
Perhaps he was taking the pillar of smoke too far
 
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Yes that's quite right
But I thought all Israel was going to saved in the millennium or last seven years or whatever time the futurists say all Israel will be saved.
 

valiant

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But I thought all Israel was going to saved in the millennium or last seven years or whatever time the futurists say all Israel will be saved.
Full futurists fit everything into their scheme. But 'all Israel will be saved' refers back to ' they are not all Israel who are of Israel' (Rom 9.6). The all Israel who will be saved are those chosen by God (ch9)
 

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Projecting the "second" coming past 70 AD is a form of unbelief disguised under bad theology.
 
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Full futurists fit everything into their scheme. But 'all Israel will be saved' refers back to ' they are not all Israel who are of Israel' (Rom 9.6). The all Israel who will be saved are those chosen by God (ch9)
I agree about Israel, I was playing devil's advocate.
 
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Projecting the "second" coming past 70 AD is a form of unbelief disguised under bad theology.
what a bummer that return was........ here is what happened:

1. judaism destroyed (temple), and they had to reinvent rabbinical judaism to make up for no temple

2. a city destroyed and many unbelieving jews who opposed Jesus and his followers

3. life continues to suck as usual and wars come and go, few world wars here and there, nothing changed except the things written above u see.......

alot of hype for nothing........
 

PlainWord

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Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit will guide us (the Church) into all truth, that being the big difference between today and before pentecost.
There are a lot of churches out there teaching all kinds of things Are they all correct?
 

PlainWord

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I'm not into Orthopedics - my feet are fine, I just need to wash 'em every now and then.

"He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet"......
Then you should be good to make the long trip to Rome, LOL.
 

PlainWord

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I couldn't disagree more. Jesus will return again in the future.
He certainly might but if He does, it would be a third coming (not counting any OT appearances):rolleyes:. All the "comings" in the Bible have past.
 
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He certainly might but if He does, it would be a third coming (not counting any OT appearances):rolleyes:. All the "comings" in the Bible have past.
So how does this all end up in your view PW? Does the world and sin continue on and on forever?
 

valiant

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Originally Posted by Bogadile
Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit will guide us (the Church) into all truth, that being the big difference between today and before Pentecost.
There are a lot of churches out there teaching all kinds of things Are they all correct?
my church is the fully correct one :)
 

PlainWord

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He will immediately set up a covenant with Israel so they can worship and sacrifice in their temple.
Don't bogart that joint my friend. Pass it back over to our Jamaican friend.
 

PlainWord

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2 Timothy 2:18 KJV
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

It is heresy because you're doing exaclty the same thing they did only your view more screwed up than theirs lol. They saw the resurrection at Christ's resurrection and ASSUMED it was done - finished - over with. Their error was that they thought the 1st resurrection was a ONE TIME event.

And that's what you're doing also except you're creating an AD 70 resurrection that never happened!
How do you know? Where you there? Even if you were there, could you see a soul rising up from Hades as a spiritual being? Not to lump you in with the really blind, and they know who they are, because you have decent insight, but the resurrection happened at the second coming (~70 AD), just like Paul said it would. Jesus said He was coming back to THAT generation. Any other view contradicts Christ's spoken words.

The blind think that the old decayed flesh and blood body has usable parts that make up the new spiritual body. No more carburetors, everything will be fuel injected. They fail to see that its all about the soul. The soul is saved, not the body. Our current flesh body is the earthly tent. Our new body is our heavenly tent. So, what is the new tent clothing? The soul or the old tent?


 
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How do you know? Where you there? Even if you were there, could you see a soul rising up from Hades as a spiritual being? Not to lump you in with the really blind, and they know who they are, because you have decent insight, but the resurrection happened at the second coming (~70 AD), just like Paul said it would.
I'm going to go through each one of your points one by one so I can see where you stand.

First, where in the world do you get Paul saying the second coming would happen in 70 AD?