Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Rewards do do not include eternal life. Blood only! His precious blood.

I have read a prophetic warning that there would be those against the blood of Jesus. Now it's here.

All workers for devalue, despise and reject the blood in favor of self, works amd religious dogma......the bible is clear...

Saved UNTO not SAVED BY!

 

[Cee]

Hmm...lolol! I don't understand how Isaiah 66 answers my question though...you posted for me to read it when I asked the question: if eternal life is through Him and having His eternal Spirit given to you in the new birth, then DO all men live somewhere for eternity? (In other words, if a man will not have eternal life, how can he be alive to experience torment for eternity?)

The passage people point to as Jesus as quoting about hell, Gehennon, is quoting Isaiah 66.

 

[stonesoffire]

Where does it say anywhere in the Bible that eternal life is given from the blood?

Forgiveness of sin comes from the shedding of blood..

Jesus said this was eternal life:

John 17.3

[SUP]3 [/SUP]This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

What kind of life is in the blood Meggido?

 

[TruthTalk]

Now God's Children are being compared to; Lasagna in the refrigerator, ready to be; "unsealed and cast away."

"Is the Lasagna in your refrigerator unable to be unsealed simply because it is presently sealed? If it goes bad you will indeed unseal it and cast it away."

Can anyone believe this nonsense.

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"The Lord hath not cast away his people which he foreknew" (Romans 11:2).

He chose us from eternity, and He will love us throughout eternity. He loved us so as to die for us, and we may therefore be sure that His love will never die. His honor is so wrapped up in the salvation of the believer that He can no more cast him off than He can cast off His own robes of office as King of glory. No, no! The Lord Jesus, as a Head, never casts off His members; as a Husband, He never casts off His bride. Did you think you were cast off? Why did you think so evil of the Lord who has betrothed you to Himself? Cast off such thoughts, and never let them lodge in your soul again..
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[dcontroversal]

We have it right there...loveme states "not in the Cross".

Are you Jehovahs Witness?

Amen.....Paul said if he was going to glory...he would glory in the cross of Christ......

NOT THE CROSS AND WORKS!

 

[dcontroversal]

About Judas not being a Christian? It's widely believed he stole money, He is called Son of Destruction, not a Son of God, he died with Jesus still alive, but didn't come back to Jesus like Peter did. Jesus said he wasn't clean. The word of the Lord cleans us. Judas said he betrayed innocent blood, but he didn't say I betrayed my Lord. Jesus said He lost none of those given to Him.

Due to these factors, I can say Judas followed Jesus, but I can't say he made him Lord. And finally even if he did, Holy Spirit wasn't given yet. Jesus said He had to go first. And believers now are SEALED by Him as our guarantee.

i hope this helps explain my thoughts. Feel free to ask anything else.

Judas was lost and called a devil using the word "IS" HE NEVER was saved and then lost it!

 

[dcontroversal]

Well.... i know of 2 ways to become a part of a family. And they apply, even today ^^.

- One way, is to be "born" into the family..

- The other way, is to be "adopted" into the family..

From memory...im pretty sure He speaks on "both" of those ways ^^

Amen....bron again from above of incorruptable seed and ADOPTED into his family.....by faith thru grace without works attached to gain, embellish and or keep........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The only reason that that I can think of that one would think once saved always saved and end up separated from God in the end, is because their belief was only mental without penetrating Spirit. The Spirit of Christ pierces our heart with understanding, and then we place our faith in the Word. That Word is the power to generate one and cause new birth into the Kingdom of Gods Son.

In john 4 and john 6 Jesus spoke of living food and water which would endure to eternal life, as he said, I like food or water which we continually drink, whoever drinks this food or water will live forever, because this food and water would satisfy our hunger and thirst forever,

this is eternal life, if our hunger and thirst is satisfied forever why would anyone leave?

 

[dcontroversal]

So when someone doesn't agree with you or believes in what JESUS said, not Jehovah, as in Jehovah's Witness,

you then ACCUSE them of being a JW?

Could we just stick to scripture???

She asked three times.....I thought you were smart enough to know the difference between a question and a statement!!

 

[stonesoffire]

The aorist tense is the one that can have different aspects to it which I believe I saw someone post.

The reality is - when people heard back in biblical New Testament days the words being spoken to them they would know the "implications" of the tenses when used. Even all the perfect Greek speakers and readers still need the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ to us in the scriptures.

The disciples were with Jesus for over 3 years and He told them in some form or other 17 times that He as going to die and they still didn't understand it.

One thing I have learned is that we can't "make" people see the glorious gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Think back to when we were stuck in our own thinking from our church teachings. It is by revelation of the Holy Spirit only that we can see the truths that are in Christ.

A religious stronghold that is hard to uproot is a church teaching that we have been taught all our life. But the Holy Spirit can break through this belief system. Our job is to "proclaim Him and what He has done" and we leave the "revelation" and acceptance of it in the hands of the Lord.

We are all in the same journey together walking with our Lord. Without Him we can do nothing and yet with Him we can do all things.

I was taught in a course on demonology, that the religious spirit is the only one that cannot be cast out because its the natural man. Everyone will worship something.

 

[dcontroversal]

Stone,
loveme1 is MORE I LOVE with our Lord than some here.
Know why?

She's actually willing TO DO things for Him.
Some here tell me ALL WE NEED TO DO IS BELIEVE.


Believe what?
Did you know that believe is an ACTION word?

Go look it up in the Greek.
You like Greek.

Oh, and don't forget to do the counting on Salvation and Kingdom in Jesus' discourses.


Thanks.

This post proves 2 things or 3 things...

a. You don't listen or pay attention
b. You reject what is said
c. You wilfully twist what is said

By those who teach salvation based upon grace thru faith....NONE OF US HAS SAID, IMPLIED OR STATED that we do not serve......just that WORKS DO NOT SAVE, EMBELLISH SALVATION OR KEEP SAVED.....

It blows my mind that you cannot be honest with what we say!

 

[dcontroversal]

So are some here.

Using it as an excuse to be freed from every endeavor that Jesus would have us to do.

Amazing indeed.

More deceit in this post...none have said this or implied this.....What part do deceit and lies play in a works based salvation?

 

[preacher4truth]

More deceit in this post...none have said this or implied this.....What part do deceit and lies play in a works based salvation?

Not exactly a good works factory, is she?

 

[stonesoffire]

There. Now we have an honest statement.

Do you guys have to change the meanings of everything?!?

What spirit drove you to alter my post? Don't do it again. That's dishonest so don't tell me about fruit.

 

[dcontroversal]

Boy, I'll tell you.
It's tough waking up in the morning and find yourself 20 pages behind.

Good thing I am in Australia....I can burn through them while you guys sleep.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Eternal life is a gift received from our faith in Jesus. It's not a reward for doing good works, because good works don't save us. Grace, faith, and belief are what saves us.

Amen Blue.......simple as......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i don't believe so... it is written a man is justified by his works..

The works many are thrown by us the works of the law of Moses.. which I pertained to.

Romans 4, shows otherwise.

 

[notmyown]

Not exactly a good works factory, is she?

who said idol factory? was that Calvin? it's a great quote.


sorry, D., to go off piste. didn't think you'd mind. we're a bit of a train wreck here as it is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul is teaching against works often circumcision and such.... not the works that James is teaching. No contradiction.

Wrong, Paul is arguing against earning salvation by works, he even calls people fools for thinking we are saved by faith, but maintain that salvation by works,

james is fighting people who claim to have faith but have no works period, i.e., they do not have the works paul said ALL who have been saved will have.

 

[TruthTalk]

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God excepts the perfect work and sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ, for payment for our sins;
your good works earn you nothing.

Crown Jesus with many Crowns - not you​