Not By Works

[stonesoffire]

We may get crowns, but scripture reveals when we see Him...we will throw them at His feet. I can understand why now.

 

[dcontroversal]

I have been savd UNTO good works, not because of good works, huge difference,

if eternal life life is a reward, it is not a gift, period, end of story.

Amen....as simple as.....El Diablo added a word and thr workers for do it as well......they change unto to by!

 

[notmyown]

guys, swing by the house! i'll make you real pie and coffee. and chicken and dumplings.
but some of us (me) will be having decaf!

 

[heartofdavid]

Nobody seems to know or interpret what the others are saying.

Has anyone else noticed this?

 

[UnderGrace]

Amen...because they are His .... anything we have done has been done in/by/through Him.

We may get crowns, but scripture reveals when we see Him...we will throw them at His feet. I can understand why now.

 

[stonesoffire]

Nobody seems to know or interpret what the others are saying.

Has anyone else noticed this?

I disagree! I know what you are saying. I looked at the greek. lol

 

[TruthTalk]

We may get crowns, but scripture reveals when we see Him...we will throw them at His feet. I can understand why now.

You are correct stonesoffire, I was making the point that Jesus deserves all the honor, praise and glory and power.

"the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for You created all things; by Your will they exist, and came to be.”…Rev4:10,11

 

[stonesoffire]

You are correct stonesoffire, I was making the point that Jesus deserves all the honor, praise and glory and power.

"the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for You created all things; by Your will they exist, and came to be.”…Rev4:10,11

I wasn't correcting you.

 

[oldethennew]

The garden symbolically is our heart.

lol...smokin'....

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yeah, lots of us here already 'know-THis'...

 

[TruthTalk]

I wasn't correcting you.

I wasn't taking that way.....

 

[FranC]

I still can't grasp it. I think there IS no eternal life apart from Him, only the prospect of eternal death. Living forever in eternal torment is not eternal death. It is eternal life. Eternal death to me means ceasing to exist with no prospect of ever living again...if eternal life is in Him, how is it that someone without His Spirit would live forever? That means eternal life is somehow in them apart from Him.

I do believe Satan has eternalness but I don't think we do. I think we, apart from Him, will be raised again only to die in the judgement.

But I am still working on it.

Right now you believe in annihalationism.

The saved go to be with God.
The unsaved are annihalated.

This is what you have to ask yourself to decide if it's correct:

Did Jesus ever speak of hell?
What IS hell?

If you just disappear because you're an unbeliever, is THAT hell?

 

[stonesoffire]

I wasn't taking that way.....

OH...am glad. I thought I offended you. That's the problem with writing.

 

[stonesoffire]

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yeah, lots of us here already 'know-THis'...

Great...good thing to know huh?

 

[stonesoffire]

I disagree! I know what you are saying. I looked at the greek. lol

uh...am joking with you heartofdavid..

Am tired of the heavy posts I guess.

 

[royalscot]

Wrong, Paul is arguing against earning salvation by works, he even calls people fools for thinking we are saved by faith, but maintain that salvation by works,

james is fighting people who claim to have faith but have no works period, i.e., they do not have the works paul said ALL who have been saved will have.

are you aware of your twist of words, in this post.
strange thing context, when was believing in something an action, when was listening an action.

strange thing 70 ad. it was in place before you opened your bible.

since this eye witness, already had belief in jesus christ, hearing in faith, would be what i have said all along (rhema) reading about works of law,( logos)

.2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith Galatians 3:

 

[FranC]

KJV Search Results

27 Verses Found, 31 Matches

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Luk 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luk 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.

Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

1Co 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justifiedby works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?


why is it that only the book of James states justified by works?

I know Grace taught this but I think we need reminded.

Why not study some theology instead of reading only the bible?
If you did you'd know what Justification is without having to depend on Grace.

I mean, really, you depend on people HERE to TEACH you things?

Sad state of affairs!

 

[stonesoffire]

Why not study some theology instead of reading only the bible?
If you did you'd know what Justification is without having to depend on Grace.

I mean, really, you depend on people HERE to TEACH you things?

Sad state of affairs!

What's your beef? Did I say that?

 

[FranC]

Yes, this is what OSAS is all about.....the plain words of scripture 'don't really' mean what they say. When I realized how many scriptures you have to do this to to arrive at a OSAS conclusion I got off the fence about the subject. It's easily the most dishonest doctrine in all the church. But this doctrine is so empowered by demons who appeal to the flesh, and that's why so many defend it so fiercely, even when it is shown to be the unreasonable doctrine that it is.

The only rational argument worth discussing is whether or not the true believer can stop believing. That's the only OSAS argument I will entertain.

OSAS did not even exist until the 1,500's. It took Calvin to make it up.
So all the other theologians until Calvin were wrong according to those who believe in eternal security.
HOW anyone could even think this is truly odd to me.

15 people say one thing
1 person says something different.
Some of those 15 knew the inventor of the thing.

But I believe the 1.

Strange indeed.
Sounds sooooo nice though when actually it is NOT.
Because, if they can say that one fell away because he never believed to begin with...

How do they KNOW they are saved???
They DON'T!

If they thought about this for a minute, they'd give up OSAS in a flash.

 

[royalscot]

Why not study some theology instead of reading only the bible?
If you did you'd know what Justification is without having to depend on Grace.

I mean, really, you depend on people HERE to TEACH you things?

Sad state of affairs!

like 70 ad sad thing is why are you on here.

is reading and listening the same. etc

 

[royalscot]

OSAS did not even exist until the 1,500's. It took Calvin to make it up.
So all the other theologians until Calvin were wrong according to those who believe in eternal security.
HOW anyone could even think this is truly odd to me.

15 people say one thing
1 person says something different.
Some of those 15 knew the inventor of the thing.

But I believe the 1.

Strange indeed.
Sounds sooooo nice though when actually it is NOT.
Because, if they can say that one fell away because he never believed to begin with...

How do they KNOW they are saved???
They DON'T!

If they thought about this for a minute, they'd give up OSAS in a flash.

what that got to do with the topic of this forum[h=2]Not By Works[/h]