Not By Works

[Magenta]

yep patience is helpful to understanding what is said,as for "nit picking" I'll leave that to people who enjoy doing as such,I get what you mean but "correction" isn't "nit picking" "nit picking" is willful trying to upset someone by pointing out every little mistake thereby being a nuisance,I respons to posts when someone either doesn't understand something or they over rule understanding to be,"insulting" which results in noone learning anything,apologies if you interpret such things as "nit picking" when I post in correction.

It is for the other to apologize, since you did nothing wrong

 

[FranC]

i agree again lol

this reminds me of our first convo this morning







i have tried many times to expose some of the lies and false doctrines here....


i dont think its possible unless the Holy spirit is working through us in our approach

Although turn the other cheek does not mean what most believe, I say it to be understood.
He also said to love your enemy.
Problem:
Not everyone follows jesus' teachings. Like if you treat some enemies nicely they think you're stupid
,,,Even though they're Christian.

So in those cases, I treat them as they treat me. Otherwise they'll bury you and I don't want to be buried.

Stand firm...

 

[Grace777x70]

True,

I heard a sermon once many years ago, and at the time I really had no understanding of it meant, but now it clicks, not sure if you would agree but...

In the sermon he stated, that the true hypocrite, in the covenant of grace, is the one who does not live in the liberty of Jesus

James tells us about the the law of liberty ( James 2:12,) .

Only in Jesus are we truly set free to do.

I definitely agree. James talks about looking into the perfect law of liberty and forgetting what manner of man he is. This is why we are to "set our minds on things above."

Colossians 3:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.


The understanding of the circumcision of the heart where the body of flesh is 'cut away" from the inner man in Christ - the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness which can never sin is paramount to walking by the spirit so that we don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires. Eph. 4:24; 1 John 3:9; 1 John 5:18

 

[stonesoffire]

Going to watch the eclipse on periscope. Dr. Christian Sasse if anyone wants to follow. Scientist. Back later

 

[UnderGrace]

I agree, the Holy Spirit can only lead into to truth if we allow the veil to be pulled down

In retrospect I know now when I was absolutely convinced of something by the flesh and what was given to me and confirmed by the Holy Spirit and there are other areas where I need to study and be open.

But never the Gospel

we can can only learn if we open our hearts, if our hearts are closed, like many are, we will never learn anything.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree, the Holy Spirit can only lead into to truth if we allow the veil to be pulled down

In retrospect I know now when I was absolutely convinced of something by the flesh and what was given to me and confirmed by the Holy Spirit and there are other areas where I need to study and be open.

But never the Gospel

there has been tims I was absolutely convinced of something, and was sure the Holy Spirit confirmed it, only to later find out it was not true,

We should never be to proud to think everything we think to be true is true, when we get to that point, God s no longer able to teach us, and we may miss out on real truths,

 

[joefizz]

Maybe we can speed it up...we could do a posting marathon and you could see it sooner?

um perhaps that's not such a good idea because it could inspire,"two word answers" and people respond fast enough in this thread,lol not saying that you insinuated this,just guessing how "speeding up posts" could end up lol,as "amusing" as that could be,I don't know if I would keep up lol!

 

[Stephen63]

yep, so we can tell on these posts, right?

Haahaaa..... I like that.

You can only tell on them if they're wrong, you know.

 

[FranC]

You are deluded with these writings.. they are misleading....

So happy to see that you've noticed.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Although turn the other cheek does not mean what most believe, I say it to be understood.
He also said to love your enemy.
Problem:
Not everyone follows jesus' teachings. Like if you treat some enemies nicely they think you're stupid
,,,Even though they're Christian.

So in those cases, I treat them as they treat me. Otherwise they'll bury you and I don't want to be buried.

Stand firm...

Luke 6:28

28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

Romans 12:17-21

17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Galatians 6:1 - Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

 

[joefizz]

It is for the other to apologize, since you did nothing wrong

well I was more of using an ethic of paul,as he did when writing to churches,apologizing for offending,but not for telling what was true,it's the same concept,a concept I like practicing.

 

[Magenta]

Going to watch the eclipse on periscope. Dr. Christian Sasse if anyone wants to follow. Scientist. Back later

The traffic coming to work this morning was crazy!
We are not in the path of totality, but we are close Enjoy!

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes, I think that is what I am also saying, sometimes pride, sometimes fear, there can be a myriad of reasons we cling to a belief

The more we agree with what God about our union with God the more He reveals His truth.

there has been tims I was absolutely convinced of something, and was sure the Holy Spirit confirmed it, only to later find out it was not true,

We should never be to proud to think everything we think to be true is true, when we get to that point, God s no longer able to teach us, and we may miss out on real truths,

 

[UnderGrace]

Got me laughing again...more endorphins ...EXCELLENT!!!

um perhaps that's not such a good idea because it could inspire,"two word answers" and people respond fast enough in this thread,lol not saying that you insinuated this,just guessing how "speeding up posts" could end up lol,as "amusing" as that could be,I don't know if I would keep up lol!

 

[joefizz]

Got me laughing again...more endorphins ...EXCELLENT!!!

I keep thinking your saying "dolphins" plus I don't quite know what "endorphins"are lol!

 

[UnderGrace]

I like dolphins too! Flipper now there was a true friend.

Laughing with friends releases feel-good brain chemicals, which also relieve pain, new research indicates.
Until now, scientists haven't proven that like exercise and other activities, laughing causes a release of so-called endorphins.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-laughter-may-be-the-best-pain-medicine/

I keep thinking your saying "dolphins" plus I don't quite know what "endorphins"are lol!

 

[TruthTalk]

"It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have "ZERO" to do with Salvation!"

The issue is "not by works" When I was "born again" not by earthly seed; did my works play a part of my spiritual rebirth.

No I simply believed; "They replied, Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household" Acts16:31
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After we are saved; do works keep us saved; I say no; we are saved unto good works not by them; "not by works, so that no one can boast. "For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life." Eph2:8-10 We are saved "unto good works," not by them.

My wife and I volunteered through our church to assist missionaries to preach and teach the gospel for the mountain tribes in Thailand; Do we count on that as a merit of works to keep us saved; of course not; it was the love of God shed abroad in our hearts. Apostle Paul said this; "What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ." Phil3:8

"You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." Gal.5:4

"So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith." Gal3:24​

"Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."
Matt.11:29

"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,"
1 John 5:3

"And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in love." 2 John 1:6

Salvation by Grace, "plus my works", is as foolish as Cain who brought his good works to God; Able's sacrifice was acceptable, Can's was not; "but on Cain and his offering God did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? Gal.4:5,6

Both Cain and Able had works; one was acceptable to God, one was not. The folks who put forth a "works gospel" are as wrong as Cain. Their sacrifice come's from "Pride" the original sin. It is foolish and dangerous for anyone to rely on your own good works, to keep you saved; plus it will have long term harmful effects.

Works cannot save you; works cannot keep you saved; and works will not gain you entrance to heaven. Of course the salvation plus my works people, (Like Cain), will be angry with God, this has been going on for a long time; In their heart they say like Cain; I am smart enough and good enough to keep myself being saved. The idea of; I am the Captain of my own ship, is foolish and worldly wisdom. ​

"The Lord hath not cast away his people which he foreknew" (Romans 11:2).

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By: C.H. Spurgeon​

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He chose us from eternity, and He will love us throughout eternity. He loved us so as to die for us, and we may therefore be sure that His love will never die. His honor is so wrapped up in the salvation of the believer that He can no more cast him off than He can cast off His own robes of office as King of glory. No, no! The Lord Jesus, as a Head, never casts off His members; as a Husband, He never casts off His bride. Did you think you were cast off? Why did you think so evil of the Lord who has betrothed you to Himself? Cast off such thoughts, and never let them lodge in your soul again..
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[UnderGrace]

Grace is not important to those who work...

I am not sure if I am understanding this how you have written it, but actually according to scripture it is the exact opposite

[SUP]1 [/SUP]For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all,[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]training us to renounce impiety and worldly passions, and in the present age to live lives that are self-controlled, upright, and godly, [SUP]13 [/SUP]while we wait for the blessed hope and the manifestation of the glory of our great God and Savior,[SUP][b][/SUP] Jesus Christ.
Titus 2:11-14

Grace is not important to those who work...

what say you Franc.... is Grace to be appreciated or exploited? Did works bring you Faith?

Or was it by the Grace of GOD you were saved unto good works?

I was blind and did not see and lost but not found

I witness of GOD's Grace that made me see and be found.

I would be still Earning wages from my sin which is death... if not for the Love and Mercy bestowed upon me..

 

[TruthTalk]

By God's Grace, unmerited favor, are we saved; there is no, Grace plus works; the only boasting of works, is what Jesus did to ransom us from the curse of eternal death.

Genesis4:4,5
"And Abel also brought an offering--fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering; but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell."

Its all about Pride.

 

[FranC]

Fran my father is a murderer and I'm evil according to this person.. so I doubt I can be both.. some devour the threads seeking to accuse...

God loves you and He knows His children.
Leave this thread. And be blessed by His love for you.