Not By Works
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EG you are reading, which is fine...
If you remain feeling unworthy and undeserving of what he did for you, after you receive what he did for you, then you have no business talking about grace, because you have failed to understand what it really is...I mean that in the most non judgemental or harsh way....
If you still feel unworthy after being washed in the blood, you are engaging in false humility, which is the absolute darkest form of pride there is...and puts the focus right back on self and not God and many engage in this and wonder why nothing ever changes.....
If you remain feeling unworthy and undeserving of what he did for you, after you receive what he did for you, then you have no business talking about grace, because you have failed to understand what it really is...I mean that in the most non judgemental or harsh way....
If you still feel unworthy after being washed in the blood, you are engaging in false humility, which is the absolute darkest form of pride there is...and puts the focus right back on self and not God and many engage in this and wonder why nothing ever changes.....
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de·serve
dəˈzərv/Submit
verb
do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment).
to me this can mean two things....
do something. OR be worthy of
well God knows the end from the beginning
to say i deserve it because i would put my faith in Jesus
is different
than i deserved to be called out of my sinful life style (at a time when i had no desire to) and follow Jesus... because i earned it?
and neither of these without Gods grace would qualify me to make it into heaven
dəˈzərv/Submit
verb
do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment).
to me this can mean two things....
do something. OR be worthy of
well God knows the end from the beginning
to say i deserve it because i would put my faith in Jesus
is different
than i deserved to be called out of my sinful life style (at a time when i had no desire to) and follow Jesus... because i earned it?
and neither of these without Gods grace would qualify me to make it into heaven
I might not be making this clear and that would be my fault...all I am saying is this...
You deserved what Jesus did for you and you deserved all of God's grace, because he thought you were worth it.
Like Bill said, if we did not deserve it, then he would have just wiped us all out or Jesus would have simply jumped off the Cross and said..ya know, they are not worth it and they do not deserve your grace or what I am doing....
Now, listen careful and do not think I am not condemning you, because you are being uber brave in this discussion and I applaud that...
The only voice that says you are not worth it or deserve it is the one that accuses us day and night....but Jesus pleads our case to Father and tells Father...Father.....The devil is the father of lies and he is lying now...Father your grace and my work on the cross was for NNM and I shed my blood for him and took his sin and NNM has my righteousness....The devil is liar....
You deserved what Jesus did for you and you deserved all of God's grace, because he thought you were worth it.
You deserved what Jesus did for you and you deserved all of God's grace, because he thought you were worth it.
Like Bill said, if we did not deserve it, then he would have just wiped us all out or Jesus would have simply jumped off the Cross and said..ya know, they are not worth it and they do not deserve your grace or what I am doing....
Now, listen careful and do not think I am not condemning you, because you are being uber brave in this discussion and I applaud that...
The only voice that says you are not worth it or deserve it is the one that accuses us day and night....but Jesus pleads our case to Father and tells Father...Father.....The devil is the father of lies and he is lying now...Father your grace and my work on the cross was for NNM and I shed my blood for him and took his sin and NNM has my righteousness....The devil is liar....
You deserved what Jesus did for you and you deserved all of God's grace, because he thought you were worth it.
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I have a hard time saying I deserve anything, that would tend to lead people to be proud, and to me be dangerous.
God thought I was worth it does not mean I deserved it, he means he thought I was worth his love,
i guess the word word is what the problem is.
I deserve death, because that is what I have earned.
God thought I was worth it does not mean I deserved it, he means he thought I was worth his love,
i guess the word word is what the problem is.
I deserve death, because that is what I have earned.
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i feel EVEN THOUGH i didnt deserve it he STILL loved me enough to die for everyone
and give us all a way out
but from a perspective... what was it i did to deserve it?
if we are looking at deserve as something God shows grace to...
well...
lol then i suppose by God i deserve it
but my personal definition of deserve is = to earn
so its hard for me to make a stretch like that
and give us all a way out
but from a perspective... what was it i did to deserve it?
if we are looking at deserve as something God shows grace to...
well...
lol then i suppose by God i deserve it
but my personal definition of deserve is = to earn
so its hard for me to make a stretch like that