The Trinity Discussion

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Dagallen

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God the Father, Jesus and The Holy Spirit, all God. Just because our minds cannot grasp something doesn't mean it isn't true.
If the mind of no one can grasp what Jesus taught, then his teaching was done vain and would have no affect.
 
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Dagallen

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He's obviously is praying to His Father because Jesus who is God became a man (read Philippians 2:5-8) and as a man He did everything pleasing to the Father just like Christians are suppose to please God. Jesus is our supreme example that we are to follow.

Now I have a question for you and dagallen? Jesus says the following at Luke 4:8, "It is written, You shall worship the Lord your God abd serve Him only." Since that is true then how come Thomas is giving Jesus the highest form of worship when He said to Jesus Himself at John 20:28, "The Lord of me and the God of me?" Please explain that to me and tell me why Jesus does not correct Thomas? Also, how do you reconcile what Jesus said at Luke 4:8 to what Thomas said at John 20:28? And don't guess, please give me a biblical reason for this "apparent" contradiction? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to him,My Lord ( Jesus Christ ) and my God. No contradiction with Luke 4:8 ! Why ! Thomas believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father, why do I say this ? Because Jesus says that his Father did not leave him alone, as the presence of God's Holy Spirit was upon Jesus and manifested through Jesus, therefore Thomas is speaking of both, the Son of God and God the Father, let me put it this way, Thomas was speaking to both at the same time. There is no contradiction. One Jesus Christ, one God the Father or one Son and one Father, as Jesus was not alone.
 
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jaybird88

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He's obviously is praying to His Father because Jesus who is God became a man (read Philippians 2:5-8) and as a man He did everything pleasing to the Father just like Christians are suppose to please God. Jesus is our supreme example that we are to follow.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
but the trinity says Jesus is the Most High? so when Jesus (Most High) prayed to the Father (Most High), its the Most High praying to the Most High? please explain how that works? what did the Most High not know that He needed to pray? isnt the Most High all knowing?
 

Magenta

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but the trinity says Jesus is the Most High? so when Jesus (Most High) prayed to the Father (Most High), its the Most High praying to the Most High? please explain how that works? what did the Most High not know that He needed to pray? isnt the Most High all knowing?
Jesus said a number of times that He said and did that which the Father gave Him to say and to do, and that He said and did it for OUR benefit :)
 

FlSnookman7

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If the mind of no one can grasp what Jesus taught, then his teaching was done vain and would have no affect.
I believe you are here simply to argue so this will be my last reply to you. Jesus is God. His "teachings" as you call them are the gospel and His Word is Truth. Reject Him and you can neither be saved nor understand His Word as His Word is spiritual and you are carnal.
 
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Dagallen

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I believe you are here simply to argue so this will be my last reply to you. Jesus is God. His "teachings" as you call them are the gospel and His Word is Truth. Reject Him and you can neither be saved nor understand His Word as His Word is spiritual and you are carnal.
I am not here to argue with no one, so you wrong there, I simply quote scriptures as written and discuss them.
 

bluto

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John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to him,My Lord ( Jesus Christ ) and my God. No contradiction with Luke 4:8 ! Why ! Thomas believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father, why do I say this ? Because Jesus says that his Father did not leave him alone, as the presence of God's Holy Spirit was upon Jesus and manifested through Jesus, therefore Thomas is speaking of both, the Son of God and God the Father, let me put it this way, Thomas was speaking to both at the same time. There is no contradiction. One Jesus Christ, one God the Father or one Son and one Father, as Jesus was not alone.
Where do you see Thomas or in the immediate context that the Father is included when He/Thomas specifically said to Jesus Christ Himself, "My Lord and my God." Thomas is "NOT" including the Father just because you say so. And when you said, "Because Jesus says that his Father did not leave him alone," Jesus was talking about Him going to the cross at John 16:32, "Behold, an hour is coming and has already come, for you to be scattered each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me."

This is a completely different context dagallen and has nothing to do with what Thomas stated. In fact, look at 2 Corinthians 5:19, again referring to the cross, "namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself." In other words, Christ was never without the Father from birth to death which means your explanation is "moot." :eek: PS: If Jesus had said"I am God" would you believe Him, yes or not?

IN GOD THE SON,
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Dagallen

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Where do you see Thomas or in the immediate context that the Father is included when He/Thomas specifically said to Jesus Christ Himself, "My Lord and my God." Thomas is "NOT" including the Father just because you say so. And when you said, "Because Jesus says that his Father did not leave him alone," Jesus was talking about Him going to the cross at John 16:32, "Behold, an hour is coming and has already come, for you to be scattered each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me."

This is a completely different context dagallen and has nothing to do with what Thomas stated. In fact, look at 2 Corinthians 5:19, again referring to the cross, "namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself." In other words, Christ was never without the Father from birth to death which means your explanation is "moot." :eek: PS: If Jesus had said"I am God" would you believe Him, yes or not?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I already gave an answer to your question. Now God the Father's presence was with His Son at all times, as Jesus was never alone at any point, the presence of God the Father was with His eternal Son before His Son came into the world and took on earthy flesh. Its always been about Father and Son and always will be, that will never change.
 

bluto

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I already gave an answer to your question. Now God the Father's presence was with His Son at all times, as Jesus was never alone at any point, the presence of God the Father was with His eternal Son before His Son came into the world and took on earthy flesh. Its always been about Father and Son and always will be, that will never change.
Ok dagallen, so if we use your line of reasoning that God the Father's presence was with His Son at all times then when Thomas said to Jesus Christ that He/Jesus was his Lord and God Thomas was only referring to the Father and not Jesus? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

valiant

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I already gave an answer to your question. Now God the Father's presence was with His Son at all times, as Jesus was never alone at any point, the presence of God the Father was with His eternal Son before His Son came into the world and took on earthy flesh. Its always been about Father and Son and always will be, that will never change.
To Jesus is the eternal Son and yet is not God? That's strange. A Son must have the same nature as His Father.

You suffer from 2 Cor 4.4
 
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valiant

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but the trinity says Jesus is the Most High? so when Jesus (Most High) prayed to the Father (Most High), its the Most High praying to the Most High? please explain how that works? what did the Most High not know that He needed to pray? isnt the Most High all knowing?
But that is the mystery of ALL prayer, God knows what we have need of before we ask Him. But He still wants us to pray. It is called relationship.

When the Most High prays to the Most High, He is inter-communicating. It is an eternal relationship.
 
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Dagallen

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To Jesus is the eternal Son and yet is not God? That's strange. A Son must have the same nature as His Father.

You suffer from 2 Cor 4.4
Being of the same nature of the Father, does not make the Son the Father, as the Father is the only true God.
 
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Dagallen

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But that is the mystery of ALL prayer, God knows what we have need of before we ask Him. But He still wants us to pray. It is called relationship.

When the Most High prays to the Most High, He is inter-communicating. It is an eternal relationship.
Intercommunicating, what will you come up with next ?
 
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jaybird88

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But that is the mystery of ALL prayer, God knows what we have need of before we ask Him. But He still wants us to pray. It is called relationship.

When the Most High prays to the Most High, He is inter-communicating. It is an eternal relationship.
so if we follow the example of Jesus we should pray to ourselves the way Jesus did?
 

bluto

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so if we follow the example of Jesus we should pray to ourselves the way Jesus did?
Do ever pray to Jesus jaybird, or do you ever pray to Him dagallen? This is another simple yes or no question? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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Dagallen

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How I pray, I generally keep it to myself in what manner I pray, as i pray through out the day and night, sometimes at work, sometimes when in travel and sometimes in the night, it's a very private pray, it's called , pray by meditation. I pray in the same like manner as Jesus did or as Jesus taught us to pray, Our Father, who art in heaven.