Not By Works
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I guess some people prefer the huge mega churches, which is certainly attested to by the mere fact of their existence. It is easier to go unnoticed and unchecked there, that's for sure. In small fellowship groups, people get to know each other much more intimately, reading the Word of God and sharing their concerns as it relates to God's Word, praying for each other, and yes, *gasp* even breaking bread together. Jesus started with a small group 
You are willfully planting seeds of doubt nobody has stated or even alluded to, the motivation for why you do it is becoming clear and I am not the only one who has taken notice and acted accordingly...
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Haha you mean we are all doomed unless we attend some mega church? Isn't it interesting that the churches that others seem to believe teach error, are often mega churches?
Isn't it interesting that the churches that others seem to believe teach error, are often mega churches?
but i DO agree fellowship is an amazing blessing
its just a shame not everyone has the luxury of traditional fellowship
meeting at a small building big building or a home
some people are oppressed even by their own family
but God wont keep the truth from them if they seek him
Many here profess OT saints were saved as they are....by grace through faith...
After today I am seeing another wrinkle, that many of them confuse Paul doing battle agaisnt the Mosaic law and say Paul is battling works....
Very few OSAS/ES believers seem to not fathom covenant truth anymore....there was a time that even the most ardent OSAS/ES believer acknowledged at least the old and the New covenant....as evidenced here, proper truth is obscured and even lost...some of these folks are stating OT saints were saved by faith and grace and one seemed to say they did not even need the shedding of blood for forgiveness of their sin....I have asked a few before placing them on ignore...how can an OT saint be saved under the provisions of the New Covenant, when Jesus had not even died yet.....answer...faith and grace....
After today I am seeing another wrinkle, that many of them confuse Paul doing battle agaisnt the Mosaic law and say Paul is battling works....
Very few OSAS/ES believers seem to not fathom covenant truth anymore....there was a time that even the most ardent OSAS/ES believer acknowledged at least the old and the New covenant....as evidenced here, proper truth is obscured and even lost...some of these folks are stating OT saints were saved by faith and grace and one seemed to say they did not even need the shedding of blood for forgiveness of their sin....I have asked a few before placing them on ignore...how can an OT saint be saved under the provisions of the New Covenant, when Jesus had not even died yet.....answer...faith and grace....
B
Right about that it's the black widow effect, weave a web of baiting, word twisting, thought projecting, and you have wolf in sheep clothing, the more a person fights back the more the person gets intangled, got to be wise for sure or a person will get sucked into the drama, very sneaky and cunning, can hardly notice if your not looking.
I find it humorous in Canada the two top mega churches are, one being spring church about 8,000 average attendance and the other is centra street church attendance about 7,000. these don't even come close to making the top 50 in the U.S.
People who think other people can't be close in a mega church has never been to one, surely people talk with the people around them at the mega church. Why do people think a mega church congregation don't talk to each other is beyond me. lol
I find it humorous in Canada the two top mega churches are, one being spring church about 8,000 average attendance and the other is centra street church attendance about 7,000. these don't even come close to making the top 50 in the U.S.
People who think other people can't be close in a mega church has never been to one, surely people talk with the people around them at the mega church. Why do people think a mega church congregation don't talk to each other is beyond me. lol
I don't judge a church according to its size either, though someone else here just said "get rid of small groups... " I was baptized in quite a large church, but eventually left because they were not consistently teaching the Truth of God's Word, among other things I did not care for. I was not being fed is what it boiled down to.
I have seen a video posted here a couple of times, not that I watched the whole thing (because it is a fairly long video), but saw enough of it to understand that the leaders of the mega church being scrutinized actually admitted that theirs was not a church for believers, but for seekers.
I have seen a video posted here a couple of times, not that I watched the whole thing (because it is a fairly long video), but saw enough of it to understand that the leaders of the mega church being scrutinized actually admitted that theirs was not a church for believers, but for seekers.
Hi Megiddo, I hope all is well with you.
Firstly can I ask what is OSAS/ES believers. I get OSAS but not ES.
With regards to salvation in the OT I have often asked myself how were people saved and if so how so.
As you know I am a simple man and I have always assumed it is as a result of the sacrificial system in place for sins.
Then I read Romans 4, will only post the first few verses because we are taking about OT saints.
Romans 4:1-8
Chapter 4
Abraham Justified by Faith
1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
Can you expand your thoughts for me please.
Firstly can I ask what is OSAS/ES believers. I get OSAS but not ES.
With regards to salvation in the OT I have often asked myself how were people saved and if so how so.
As you know I am a simple man and I have always assumed it is as a result of the sacrificial system in place for sins.
Then I read Romans 4, will only post the first few verses because we are taking about OT saints.
Romans 4:1-8
Chapter 4
Abraham Justified by Faith
1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
Can you expand your thoughts for me please.