Not By Works
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By my own works there is no hope for me, Ephesians 2:8-9. So no by my own works i am not saved. Yet Ephesians 2:10 does state that after accepttimg Christ Jesus as my Redeemer, His Spirit will produce His Works in my life. For God has ordained that we should walk in good works or we should in the Holy Spirit.
This why James states faith without works is dead. Because a believer who will not allow the Holy Ghost to lead his/her life can't do the work we are ordained to do, by His power.
This why James states faith without works is dead. Because a believer who will not allow the Holy Ghost to lead his/her life can't do the work we are ordained to do, by His power.
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and I said so right from day 1
dcon is a stalker LOL!
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and I said so right from day 1
dcon is a stalker LOL!
mystery solved
I don't mind anyone reading all my posts...if the motive to do so is righteous.
We are all missionaries
And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
Mark 16:15
Foreign country piece is only churchianity speaking
And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
Mark 16:15
Foreign country piece is only churchianity speaking
First,
Matt 5.6-
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.<<<<we still hunger and thirst for things of God, but I know where you were going so no big deal...
Second, Just an observation and not an accentuation, we just need you to help some of us out here...
You have stated in several past posts that you are not Calvinist....but then say this:
Whether you realize it or not, you are telling people you Believe in a Calvinist tenant of predestination and are elected and have no choice to come to God, he came to you...
Here is a chance for us both to grow and not hurl accusation at each other....could you help me understand why you are have previous posts that state you are not Calvinist and IIRC correctly and I am probably wrong, you have even came agaisnt Calvin, but you seem to imply here that you do in fact believe and adhere to his principal of predestination and being elect and chosen...If I am wrong, so sorry...just trying to understand where you are coming from...
Matt 5.6-
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.<<<<we still hunger and thirst for things of God, but I know where you were going so no big deal...
Second, Just an observation and not an accentuation, we just need you to help some of us out here...
You have stated in several past posts that you are not Calvinist....but then say this:
Whether you realize it or not, you are telling people you Believe in a Calvinist tenant of predestination and are elected and have no choice to come to God, he came to you...
Here is a chance for us both to grow and not hurl accusation at each other....could you help me understand why you are have previous posts that state you are not Calvinist and IIRC correctly and I am probably wrong, you have even came agaisnt Calvin, but you seem to imply here that you do in fact believe and adhere to his principal of predestination and being elect and chosen...If I am wrong, so sorry...just trying to understand where you are coming from...
There is nothing to forgive! You are a wonderful person and I probably speak for many here to say we love you as a brother in Christ. Please rest assured that my esteem for you has not been negated or diminished in any way. Thank you for your honesty, and all your wonderful posts...
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we need to stop for a minute, nothing in my post showed where I did anything, my whole post was about what God promised God would do. What he will do, and what he is doing not thing in it states a thing I said I would, am or will do,
So when you say when you stop doing, I never said you did I nothing to begin with, According to what I said, only God has the ability to stop doing, Because it is all about his work, his promise.
what I am saying is God will never give me a reason to change my faith that I am a sinner, I was lost, thus I needed the cross to save me, because I have sinned and have fallen short, the cross is my only hope, so I want you (God) to apply those promises to me based on your promises your trustworthiness and your love.
what reason would i ever ever stop trusting God in this area, plus, as I grow, he proves he is trustworthy in other areas? So my faith is increased not decreased, To me it is not possible to fall back to an area of unbelief, thus becoming anti-Christ, who ever is. It for me is against me, that is an ant Christ.
Thank you UnderGrace and for your understanding, I never meant to mislead anyone and especially you because you have been a kind and encouraging person and child of God to me. I know the reason I did what I did but did not want to cloud my apology with lame excuses. All of my super hero's both men and women have been Missionaries. Thank you for your post.
Hebrews 12.1-3
12 Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, [SUP]2 [/SUP]fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
Is this a fact and telling us that Jesus' faith finishes our race, because of what the did on the cross?
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Is this an encouragement for our personal faith to grow and allow us to run our own race with confidence because we should look to Jesus and how his own faith allowed him to endure the world and finally finish his own race?
Using a military secnario here to help me make the point clearer...
I believe Heb 12.1-3 is like when a Military Commander that asks his troops to do something he has done before. His troops will then obey and do what is asked because they have confidence and are encouraged because the Commander has done what and completed what he is asking them to do...
I do not see these verses telling me that He is the starter and finisher of what I am asked to do...This is telling me Jesus was the example for how, like him, I get it done in him....
12 Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, [SUP]2 [/SUP]fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
Is this a fact and telling us that Jesus' faith finishes our race, because of what the did on the cross?
-OR-
Is this an encouragement for our personal faith to grow and allow us to run our own race with confidence because we should look to Jesus and how his own faith allowed him to endure the world and finally finish his own race?
Using a military secnario here to help me make the point clearer...
I believe Heb 12.1-3 is like when a Military Commander that asks his troops to do something he has done before. His troops will then obey and do what is asked because they have confidence and are encouraged because the Commander has done what and completed what he is asking them to do...
I do not see these verses telling me that He is the starter and finisher of what I am asked to do...This is telling me Jesus was the example for how, like him, I get it done in him....
Hi Rosemary,
I also believe that Paul was referring to eternal life as the greatest prize. A race one competes in gets a perishable wreath which can't compare the the prize we receive when we run the race well.
Paul uses the athlete as an example as to how we are to run the race set before us. The athlete disciplines himself and trains himself to run so as to win the race.
So Paul is bringing his body under self control so as to not beat the air as a boxer, but instead to hit it's target.
He's telling us to train ourselves to continue on in the race so as to reach the finish line which is eternal life. I see it as an encouragement to keep on keeping on. Don't give up.
Believers during this time were beaten and tortured and imprisoned. They lived a very hard and difficult life. Some of us have it so easy in comparison. But I know that others in this world suffer for their faith and are being tortured and imprisoned. I think it's an encouragement that this race is the ultimate race and a worthy race.
What can be better than the prize of the high calling in Christ. In this race we will not perish, it will all be worth it because we will attain to eternal life and what a glorious prize that will be.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27
Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Philippians 3:12-14
Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
I also believe that Paul was referring to eternal life as the greatest prize.
A race one competes in gets a perishable wreath which can't compare the the prize we receive when we run the race well.Paul uses the athlete as an example as to how we are to run the race set before us. The athlete disciplines himself and trains himself to run so as to win the race.
So Paul is bringing his body under self control so as to not beat the air as a boxer, but instead to hit it's target.
He's telling us to train ourselves to continue on in the race so as to reach the finish line which is eternal life. I see it as an encouragement to keep on keeping on. Don't give up.
Believers during this time were beaten and tortured and imprisoned. They lived a very hard and difficult life. Some of us have it so easy in comparison. But I know that others in this world suffer for their faith and are being tortured and imprisoned. I think it's an encouragement that this race is the ultimate race and a worthy race.
What can be better than the prize of the high calling in Christ. In this race we will not perish, it will all be worth it because we will attain to eternal life and what a glorious prize that will be.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27
Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Philippians 3:12-14
Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
Mat 19:17 Jesus asked him, "Why ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to get into that life, you must keep the commandments."
Mat 19:18 The young man asked him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, "'You must not murder, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not give false testimony,
Mat 19:19 honor your father and mother,' and 'you must love your neighbor as yourself.'"
Mat 19:20 The young man told him, "I have kept all of these. What do I still lack?"
Mat 19:21 Jesus told him, "If you want to be perfect, go and sell what you own and give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me."
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard this statement he went away sad, because he had many possessions.
Mat 19:23 Then Jesus told his disciples, "I tell you with certainty, it will be hard for a rich person to get into the kingdom from heaven.
Mat 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into the kingdom of God."
Mat 19:25 When the disciples heard this, they were completely astonished. "Who, then, can be saved?" they asked.
Mat 19:26 Jesus looked at them intently and said, "For humans this is impossible, but for God all things are possible."
Mat 19:27 "Look!" Peter replied. "We have left everything and followed you. So what will we get?"
Mat 19:28 Jesus told them, "I tell you with certainty, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne in the renewed creation, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, governing the twelve tribes of Israel.
Mat 19:29 In fact, everyone who has left his homes, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or fields because of my name will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
Mat 19:30 But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first."
Jesus is teaching here that only perfection of obedience to law will gain eternal life. The Jews knew it was impossible..and they didn't know the Cross at this point.
So Jesus did what was impossible for us....grace. Unmerited favor. And the baptism of Holy Spirit who does the work of salvation, saved, being saved, and will be saved...in our life.
It is not the prize of running the race. Paul speaks of going from mortal to immortal. And I believe this is the "catching up".