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Stunnedbygrace

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Actually if you are interested I can post a link to our church website.

Sermons are normally posted online on Monday or Tuesday to listen to. And previous sermons are online as well

I myself and mentioned on the website and my ministry (sshh don't tell anyone though, wouldn't want to seem to be big headed)

If memory serves me you work with addicts.
This morning he talked about addiction and how during a period when God bought about a mini revival as such how God healed many addicts.

That would be wonderful! Based on what you said that he said, I would gladly listen to him!

No, I don't work with addicts. I repair and faux paint furniture. At least recently I do!:D I just kind of fell into it somehow...
 
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That would be wonderful! Based on what you said that he said, I would gladly listen to him!

No, I don't work with addicts. I repair and faux paint furniture. At least recently I do!:D I just kind of fell into it somehow...
LOL you "fell" into painting chairs....
 

Stunnedbygrace

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Seriously, you are claiming to fall into unbelief has no eternal consequences?

So why did satan fall or the angels?

You are saying after seeing the Kingdom, disowning it will not bring judgement!

This is make believe fairy land.

As Hebrews states, if Israel who were baptised in the red sea perished, how much more will those
who know Jesus yet trample His ways. It has always been this blunt.
That's not what he believes, PJ. He believes that it is impossible to fall into unbelief in the first place. He doesn't say that becoming unbelieving doesn't matter - he just thinks it is impossible that it could happen.
 

Limey410v2

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Limey! I'm back and it was so exquisitely wonderful!!
I enjoyed the jazz but some of it was a bit too....tootley-tootley. Have no idea if you know what I mean there...:D

But the blues bands were just...oh, just really good!

There was a blues singer who performed at Obamas inauguration ball. She was tremendous, but the keyboard, horn and drums was too loud and drowned her out a bit which was slightly disappointing. They just weren't correctly balanced...didn't give her the space I think she should have had.

I can definitely say that fusion jazz is not my favorite. Or at least what I heard so far.

I can see why people take to blues. Just tremendous! And a positive message throughout, with many of the women singing songs about God which I didn't expect at all!

And there was a rapper who rapped a positive message and he was so amazingly good! ((Apparently, standing up and yelling bravo! is a little out of the norm :D). I'm quite a square.

Oh and there was a song, think it might have been called...Summertime? And the young womans voice just gave me goosebumps! I would bet she is going to become famous. Never heard someone do the things she could with her voice! She reminded me of a singer I heard when I was very little, I think her name was Minnie Ripperton...not that the songs were anything alike really, but the voices my gosh!

Okay, I just really enjoyed myself and will shut up now. :)
Thats awesome, glad you enjoyed it. Music can be the strings to the soul.
Blues has a lot of its roots planted firmly in old timey Gospel. As I grew older I learned to appreciate it so much more. Jazz, not so much, I think it is an acquired taste, although the jazz dance music from the 20's and 30's is a lot of fun.
 

Stunnedbygrace

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LOL you "fell" into painting chairs....
Yes! :D
I asked God when He would give me some work to do with my hands and the next day I was painting some chairs! Not kidding!
And it snowballed or mushroomed or something and now I have spaces in antique malls, 6 spaces in total. And I only began in April.

I have been so poor for so long and yesterday I had a 450.00 day, which is just so puzzling. I bought steaks and did them on the grill. I hadn't had a steak in years. It was delicious! :D
 

Limey410v2

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Yes! :D
I asked God when He would give me some work to do with my hands and the next day I was painting some chairs! Not kidding!
And it snowballed or mushroomed or something and now I have spaces in antique malls, 6 spaces in total. And I only began in April.

I have been so poor for so long and yesterday I had a 450.00 day, which is just so puzzling. I bought steaks and did them on the grill. I hadn't had a steak in years. It was delicious! :D
YES!! (But not poor in spirit)

I hope this becomes a food thread again for a few minutes :) Steak is so good!
 
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Yes! :D
I asked God when He would give me some work to do with my hands and the next day I was painting some chairs! Not kidding!
And it snowballed or mushroomed or something and now I have spaces in antique malls, 6 spaces in total. And I only began in April.

I have been so poor for so long and yesterday I had a 450.00 day, which is just so puzzling. I bought steaks and did them on the grill. I hadn't had a steak in years. It was delicious! :D
Blows one mind when Jesus comes thru hey....I was sitting one day about 20 years ago, at a particularly low moment financially, all bills due, had switched jobs and had a two week waiting period before a check, upset, about in tears and owing way more than I had coming in.....the door bell rang and I answered and it was the mailman with a registered letter and I thought oh great probably a bill collector or getting sued for something....of course I had been praying, upset and feeling left out in the cold by God wondering why......I opened the letter and it was a letter from my great grandparents who I had not heard from in 12 years and they were getting their house in order and giving all the grandkids a check for $10,000.........I stared at the check, shocked and began to weep and I could hear God saying....oh ye of little faith!!
 

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Walk trough the valley
The battle is over when we walk in Love: walking into Love. We are still on the Journey, entering into God, There is a labour to enter into His rest, and put away our divided spirit. Divided within ourselves and from one another. "Love is the fulfilment of the Law." Against Love there is no Law." The Law was work, until entered into His rest, where work is no longer work; like the first year of marriage, relationship is effortless, of it's own accord to become one.
"There is no fear in Love." "The fear of God having it's rightful place in admiration worship in His Love; there is no place for other fears when we continue in prayer: to enter in. The wilderness experience: to come to the end of ourselves and value entering in more than a life for ourselves. All of us know this is the work of God, that's why we are Christians, we are called to work along side, or is it inside (may depend on maturity), as labourers together with God. Carried by the Holy Spirit, no mater what different understanding or language saying the same thing differently: to Learn of Him, to be tamed by God as friends and have His Humility, required to go on to perfection and be found in Him, not having our own righteousness, but in worship admiration of God get past arguments.
Over a month ago the Lord told me disarm the enemy. I understood, the enemy in my own life, and the enemy in the world where we communicate in giving and receiving: includes here. Jesus disarmed the enemy, Now has all authority, and as we walk in Love we have His authority. In the parable that Jesus said to His servants, "Occupy until I come," the hidden meaning is: Left in charge, the meaning of Lieutenant, a French word that means hold the fort. A favorite verse describing His will, "In everything give thanks, pray without ceasing, rejoice evermore, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. Its obvious that quarrels distract us, "Only by pride comes contention, and pride of achievement is dead work. The enemy plan is to cause division. God plans for us to remain standing praying and has Given us His Spirit to enable us: to continue in Love and not be offended. May The Lord be pleased as we forget what's behind, to go on and carry us into perfection Amen.
 
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That's not what he believes, PJ. He believes that it is impossible to fall into unbelief in the first place. He doesn't say that becoming unbelieving doesn't matter - he just thinks it is impossible that it could happen.
This is not what he has written here.
A mystical view of a change that cannot be undone, is you appear to fall into
unbelief but Gods knows better. Like a young child who gets lost while the
parent is watching. It is all ahhh, so cute.

But God is brutal. There is no ahhhhh. But there is something much deeper,
seeing reality and walking in the blazing light. We want a cute way out.
But cancer that eats away the body, causing terrible pain, is not cute.

Or young children starving to death through terrible circumstance. Or a parasite
that eats away your brain, or dementia which robs you of who you are.

People through wof have claimed always healing and died. It is living love despite
this and through this, so love conquers, takes on the challenge and wins.

What is is set, but God says if through His will we see a blessing, He will bring it.
What has wealth and success brought man, but pride and disbelief, selfishness and
self indulgence, where things become idols and loneliness is the strongest emotion.

People want to say man is ok as he is, no need for change.
In a weird way this resting passivity is another version of the same.
 
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One reason we've had so little discipleship is because many think Scripture is about only keeping and losing salvation. With this mindset we teach rules and religion not relationship and growth.
People only can do what they have gained.
We are a body, and this great work of eternity is growing.

How much is real and how much fake only God sees.
But in history He has always brought forth His own. And that is all that matters.

We are so insecure we want answers rather than knowing the Father loves us.
The bible is true not because of facts but because we have met Christ.

Our emotions are a mess because we have not let Him in and let Him teach us what
feelings are. I know how dangerous these words are, and how weak you all feel.

But the cross blazes victory, a promise of love eternally given to you. Let Him in, dare to
believe He can change you, as a potter with clay, and listen to His words. I know brothers
and sisters He is life, streams of living water, refreshing night and day, the dawn of a day
that will never dull or fade.
 
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Blows one mind when Jesus comes thru hey....I was sitting one day about 20 years ago, at a particularly low moment financially, all bills due, had switched jobs and had a two week waiting period before a check, upset, about in tears and owing way more than I had coming in.....the door bell rang and I answered and it was the mailman with a registered letter and I thought oh great probably a bill collector or getting sued for something....of course I had been praying, upset and feeling left out in the cold by God wondering why......I opened the letter and it was a letter from my great grandparents who I had not heard from in 12 years and they were getting their house in order and giving all the grandkids a check for $10,000.........I stared at the check, shocked and began to weep and I could hear God saying....oh ye of little faith!!
dc - emotional realities are always harder to see, and why a friend might be seen as an
enemy.

In your world you work by labels, not by who people honour and the words they live by.
History has shown our struggle through life to walk like Jesus is tough.

I am the result of accidents, that God has redeemed. Through all the chaos of sin, and
confusion of cc, still His love shines through. We lean on our own perspectives way too
much, and God brings testimony of broken lives made whole, to show how precious
it is to dwell with Him. To be loved is life, to love others a privilege.

The clear stream is so wonderful, His work of cleansing in our hearts, amen.
 
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Repentance and faith are not required? Who has said this? Besides you.
My friend, you are reading in what is not there.
People I was referring to is the world. It is a theme you see everywhere, we are ok, how dare
you suggest we have unmet needs, or need help, or to claim you have something of value.

And this theme is in the church as well. To walk with Christ is always change and challenge,
it is the nature of love. God bless you.
 

Magenta

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The problem is assigning all who fall away to that of the 'water only' believers (as opposed to the 'water and the Spirit' believers--John 3:5).

Just because there are those who fall away because they never really believed to begin with unto salvation doesn't mean all who fall away were never really born again. That's the argument I'm resisting. The Bible exhorts us to keep believing and not fall away.

The true OSAS debate is whether or not these are warnings for a purely theoretical falling away for the true believer and that the warning itself is sufficient to always keep the true believer believing, or if it is indeed possible for the true believer to fall away. The way the warnings are worded suggests to me that it is indeed very possible for a genuine 'water and Spirit' believer to become an unbeliever.
If one has no root, they are not connected to the True Vine and therefore cannot be considered saved.