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Prove to me in scripture that the Sabbath day is either Sunday or Saturday. Then you might have an argument. I think it may be neither. A Pope made Sunday the first day of the week. Are you a Catholic?
Paul is not Catholic and he gave an order to all the churches that when they do a collection on the first day of the week, they were to set aside a portion from that collection as support for the ministry of the saints out in the mission field.

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

That is done during regular Christian worship service which had to be the first day of the week.

 
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All I did was quote scripture. I gave no opinion to accompany them. I'm rebuking you, no matter how you see it, because I love you according to the commandment.
"For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me." (Romans 15:3)

"For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me." (Psalm 69:9)

You started to argue with me and now I'll stop it. You can post to others, I will not respond to you.

...and you still take Scripture out of context.
 

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The Apostles kept the Sabbath

Acts 1:12
Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Acts 13:14
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:27
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:13
And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:4

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
If this is all you have then it is exceptionally poor evidence for your contention that Christians are obliged to keep the Sabbath.
Not one of these texts actually means that the apostles were Sabbath-keepers.
Most of them refer to the fact that in order to evangelise Jews it was necessary to do it on the Sabbath in a synagogue when they were gathered together.

If Sabbath-keeping has the importance you insist it does then try to explain how it is possible that the apostles make no mention of it during the Jerusalem Council when these very issues of the law pertaining to New covenant believers were nutted out. And please don't trot out the excuse that the so-called law of Moses and the the so-called law of God are separate entities - they are not!

The fact is that you have listed several texts where the word 'Sabbath' is mentioned - the CONTEXT however has nothing to do with your agenda.
They preached on the Sabbath because that is where the Jews and God-fearers would be. They had little to no chance to get them to worship the first day of the week, until after they were converted, of course.

Sir, please stop teaching - with all due respect you rarely know what you are talking about. I say this in concern and brotherly love.
Prove to me in scripture that the Sabbath day is either Sunday or Saturday. Then you might have an argument. I think it may be neither. A Pope made Sunday the first day of the week. Are you a Catholic?
I am not a Catholic and given preacher4truth's doctrinal positions he would have to be the world's first reformed Catholic!

This last post of yours is nothing more than a smokescreen, a straw-man.
The bottom-line is that the texts you posted do not prove your Sabbatarian position in any way.
Not attempting to prove anything. All I did was quote 8 scripture references from the book of Acts, and you went off. Follow these instructions of God if you are not unlawful. Thanks.


‘You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart;
you may surely reprove your neighbor, but shall not incur sin because of him.You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord.' (Leviticus 19:17-18)
With respect you claimed that the apostles kept the Sabbath, and posted those texts to try to back your position - go back and review your post....

Also if your latest text (Lev 19:17-18) equates to you believing that anyone who corrects your errors hates you then again you are in error. And again, if you believe that text means that no one can correct your errors for fear of contravening either the letter or the spirit of that text, you are again in error.
All I did was quote scripture. I gave no opinion to accompany them, just wrote that "The Apostles kept the Sabbath." If you think Luke was lying by writing what I quoted, just say it and be done with it. By the way, I'm rebuking you, no matter how you see it, because I love you according to the commandment.
"For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written,
The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me." (Romans 15:3)

"For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and
the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me." (Psalm 69:9)

You started to argue with me and now I'll stop it. You can post to others, I will not respond to you. When a conversation becomes a wrestling match, I am done with this conversation because it's becoming fleshly rather then spiritual.
 
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All I did was quote scripture. I gave no opinion to accompany them, just wrote that "The Apostles kept the Sabbath." If you think Luke was lying by writing what I quoted, just say it and be done with it. By the way, I'm rebuking you, no matter how you see it, because I love you according to the commandment.
"For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written,
The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me." (Romans 15:3)

"For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and
the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me." (Psalm 69:9)

You started to argue with me and now I'll stop it. You can post to others, I will not respond to you. When a conversation becomes a wrestling match, I am done with this conversation because it's becoming fleshly rather then spiritual.
More smokescreen...
No one is saying Luke was lying - far from it.
What we are saying, correctly, is that your interpretation that the apostles kept the Sabbath cannot be sustained by those quoted texts.
 

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Paul is not Catholic and he gave an order to all the churches that when they do a collection on the first day of the week, they were to set aside a portion from that collection as support for the ministry of the saints out in the mission field.

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

That is done during regular Christian worship service which had to be the first day of the week.

I have no problem with beginning to collect sustenance for the poor on the first day of the week. That would be a lot of work. Paul wanted that done before he got there. That's Bible.
 
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I have no problem with beginning to collect sustenance for the poor on the first day of the week.

Yep, they collected on the say of worship. Good thing you have no problem with that as Paul wished the collections to be done on the day of worship, not the day he arrived.
That would be a lot of work.
Giving isn't a lot of work.
Paul wanted that done before he got there.
Paul wanted it done on the day of worship.
That's Bible.
No, that's you, and is contrary to Bible.
 

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I observe the Sabbath on Tuesday. When Tabernacles arrives I'll be observing the Sabbath on Thursday. Maybe next year I'll observe the Sabbath on Sunday, and the year following probably Saturday.

Hard tellin'. I'll have to see when the new moon comes up that starts the New Year. Maybe April. What about that?

Oh, I need to be in contact with a farmer in Israel so he can tell me when the barley is beginning to ripen in coordination with the first new moon starting the new year.

Why do we argue about something that we don't know according to the calendar we have to keep today?
 
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I observe the Sabbath on Tuesday. When Tabernacles arrives I'll be observing the Sabbath on Thursday. Maybe next year I'll observe the Sabbath on Sunday, and the year following probably Saturday.

Hard tellin'. I'll have to see when the new moon comes up that starts the New Year. Maybe April. What about that?

Oh, I need to be in contact with a farmer in Israel so he can tell me when the barley is beginning to ripen in coordination with the first new moon starting the new year.

Why do we argue about something that we don't know according to the calendar we have to keep today?
Astonishing...
 

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Sunday is named after the sun god, and Saturday is named after the Saturn god, Babylonian, Roman, and Greeek paganism. The Levities turned their backs on the mercy seat and face the sun.

"And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east." (Ezekiel 8:16)

The Romans identified Saturn with the Greek Cronus, whose myths were adapted for Latin literature and Roman art. In particular, Cronus's role in the genealogy of the Greek gods was transferred to Saturn. As early as Livius Andronicus (3rd century BC), Jupiter was called the son of Saturn.

Biblical days are numbered, not named.
 
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Yep, they collected on the say of worship. Good thing you have no problem with that as Paul wished the collections to be done on the day of worship, not the day he arrived.
Giving isn't a lot of work.
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“Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia,
even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store,
as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.”

This speaks of a collection—but for whom—for what? Note it! Not for the preacher
—not for evangelism—but “the collection for the saints.” The poor saints at Jerusalem
were suffering from drought and famine. They needed, not money, but food.

Notice Paul had given similar instruction to other churches.
Now observe his instruction to the Romans:

“But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased them
of Macedonia and Achaia [where the Corinthian church was located] to make a certain
contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit,
I will come by you into Spain” (Romans 15:25-28).

Ah! Did you catch it? It was not money, but fruit that was being sealed for shipment to
the poor saints at Jerusalem! (The Greek word can also refer to grain, wine, and other
produce which can be stored a long time without spoiling.)

Now turn back to 1?Corinthians 16. Paul is speaking concerning a collection for the saints.
Upon the first day of the week each one of them is instructed to do what? Look at it!
Does it say drop a coin in the collection plate at a church service? Not at all!

It says, “[L]et every one of you lay by him in STORE.” Note it! Lay by! Store up!
Store up by himself—at home! Not lay by at the church house—lay by him—at home.

Now why? “[T]hat there be no gatherings when I come.” Men gather fruit out of the orchard
—they gather vegetables out of the ground, to be stored up. But putting coins in a collection
plate at church, or handing in your tithe envelope could not be called a gathering,
but an offering or collection.

Notice further: “And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters,
them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. And if it be meet that I go also,
they [more than one] shall go with me” (verses 3-4).

Apparently it was going to require several men to carry this collection, gathered and
stored up, to Jerusalem. If it were tithe or offering for the minister or the spread of
the gospel, Paul could have carried the money alone.

In the Bible where we find “the first day of the week” mentioned, it is a workday—
a day for gathering fruit and food out of the orchards and the fields and gardens,
and storing it up. It was to be the first labor of the week, hence the first day of the week,
as soon as the Sabbath was past!
 

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More smokescreen...

What we are saying, correctly, is that your interpretation that the apostles kept
the Sabbath cannot be sustained by those quoted texts.
maybe you should listen to Paul, it is recorded that Paul keep the Sabbath over 80 times.


1. Paul was a Pharisee. A teacher of God's law. He continued to
call himself a Pharisee even after joining the church.

(Acts 23:6) Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees,
called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees.
I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead."

2. Paul loved God's law. It was a delight to him.

(Romans 7:22) For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,

3. Paul called God's law holy.

(Romans 7:12) So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy,
righteous and good.

4. Paul knew that breaking God's law is the very definition of sin.

(1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.

5. Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.

(Romans 3:31) Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means!
Rather we uphold the law.

6. Paul often read from the scriptures on the sabbath (which is kept by the apostles 84
times in the book of Acts). And the only scriptures at that time was the old testament.

(Acts 17:2) As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue,
and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

7. Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses when he first joined the church.
(And ironically, he's still being accused today.)

(Act 21:21) They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among
the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children
or live according to our customs.

8. These accusations were shown to be false.

(Acts 21:24) Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth
in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

9. When Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses, he always denied this,
and said he does live according to the law.

(Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call
a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law
and written in the Prophets,

10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded"
and hostile to God.

(Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit
to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days
after joining the church.

(Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that
cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.

(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority?
Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God
is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us,
because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.

13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness,
and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.

(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness,

14. Paul mentions that the levitical priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.

(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.

If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.

15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says
"you are not under law but under grace".

Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture
that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....

(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under
the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law
but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to
someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing
God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come".

Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's
sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)

17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded
new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law,
instead of faith in Jesus Christ.

(Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith
in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law,
were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul
had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.

(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those
who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God
—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

- those weak and miserable forces where not Gods convocation

19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation.
Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind,
and causes you to walk in them.(Hebrews 10:16)

(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,
says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them.

(2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these
matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant
and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you
may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
 

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“Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia,
even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store,
as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.”

This speaks of a collection—but for whom—for what? Note it! Not for the preacher
—not for evangelism—but “the collection for the saints.” The poor saints at Jerusalem
were suffering from drought and famine. They needed, not money, but food.

Notice Paul had given similar instruction to other churches.
Now observe his instruction to the Romans:

“But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased them
of Macedonia and Achaia [where the Corinthian church was located] to make a certain
contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit,
I will come by you into Spain” (Romans 15:25-28).

Ah! Did you catch it? It was not money, but fruit that was being sealed for shipment to
the poor saints at Jerusalem! (The Greek word can also refer to grain, wine, and other
produce which can be stored a long time without spoiling.)

Now turn back to 1?Corinthians 16. Paul is speaking concerning a collection for the saints.
Upon the first day of the week each one of them is instructed to do what? Look at it!
Does it say drop a coin in the collection plate at a church service? Not at all!

It says, “[L]et every one of you lay by him in STORE.” Note it! Lay by! Store up!
Store up by himself—at home! Not lay by at the church house—lay by him—at home.

Now why? “[T]hat there be no gatherings when I come.” Men gather fruit out of the orchard
—they gather vegetables out of the ground, to be stored up. But putting coins in a collection
plate at church, or handing in your tithe envelope could not be called a gathering,
but an offering or collection.

Notice further: “And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters,
them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. And if it be meet that I go also,
they [more than one] shall go with me” (verses 3-4).

Apparently it was going to require several men to carry this collection, gathered and
stored up, to Jerusalem. If it were tithe or offering for the minister or the spread of
the gospel, Paul could have carried the money alone.

In the Bible where we find “the first day of the week” mentioned, it is a workday—
a day for gathering fruit and food out of the orchards and the fields and gardens,
and storing it up. It was to be the first labor of the week, hence the first day of the week,
as soon as the Sabbath was past!
RIGHT ON BROTHER!!
 
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1 question, why would Messiah say this:...But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day...if He did not expect they would be observing Sabbath well after His crucifixion?
 

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Paul is not Catholic and he gave an order to all the churches that when they do a collection on the first day of the week, they were to set aside a portion from that collection as support for the ministry of the saints out in the mission field.

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

That is done during regular Christian worship service which had to be the first day of the week.

Friend, afraid you are totally MISunderstanding this particular 'one-off collection for the Saints'....consisting of Produce (Fruit) from their Fields ,Gardens and Orchards which was to be 'shipped to Jerusalem by 2 or more men. This Produce was to be gathered BEFORE Paul arrived to collect it because it was 'time-consuming and would have 'delayed his departure by ship. It was to be collected and STORED on the first day...a WORKING day...
it had NOTHING to do with money that could not have helped the Saints because there was NO FOOD available in Jerusalem, there was a famine. Please read 1Cor 16 more carefully and don't add your own opinions.

YOU are reading 'worship service into this and are opening YOURSELF up to serious ERROR....believing a Lie !
 

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maybe you should listen to Paul, it is recorded that Paul keep the Sabbath over 80 times.


1. Paul was a Pharisee. A teacher of God's law. He continued to
call himself a Pharisee even after joining the church.

(Acts 23:6) Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees,
called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees.
I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead."

2. Paul loved God's law. It was a delight to him.

(Romans 7:22) For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,

3. Paul called God's law holy.

(Romans 7:12) So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy,
righteous and good.

4. Paul knew that breaking God's law is the very definition of sin.

(1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.

5. Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.

(Romans 3:31) Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means!
Rather we uphold the law.

6. Paul often read from the scriptures on the sabbath (which is kept by the apostles 84
times in the book of Acts). And the only scriptures at that time was the old testament.

(Acts 17:2) As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue,
and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

7. Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses when he first joined the church.
(And ironically, he's still being accused today.)

(Act 21:21) They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among
the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children
or live according to our customs.

8. These accusations were shown to be false.

(Acts 21:24) Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth
in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

9. When Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses, he always denied this,
and said he does live according to the law.

(Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call
a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law
and written in the Prophets,

10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded"
and hostile to God.

(Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit
to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days
after joining the church.

(Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that
cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.

(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority?
Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God
is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us,
because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.

13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness,
and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.

(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness,

14. Paul mentions that the levitical priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.

(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.

If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.

15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says
"you are not under law but under grace".

Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture
that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....

(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under
the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law
but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to
someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing
God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come".

Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's
sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)

17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded
new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law,
instead of faith in Jesus Christ.

(Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith
in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law,
were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul
had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.

(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those
who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God
—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

- those weak and miserable forces where not Gods convocation

19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation.
Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind,
and causes you to walk in them.(Hebrews 10:16)

(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,
says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them.

(2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these
matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant
and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you
may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
Your interpretation is in error.
The Jerusalem council recorded in Acts 15 stands in your way...
 

unobtrusive

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[SUP]Understanding Acts 15
Acts 15:20-21
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[/SUP]But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood..... (to be continued)

Introducing these 4 things was a very good starting point, for the new converts, to begin growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Why were only 4 things agreed upon in the beginning? Because...
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21 [/SUP]For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.


 

prove-all

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Your interpretation is in error.
The Jerusalem council recorded in Acts 15 stands in your way...
well I do believe Acts 24 is after Acts 15, is it not?


Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call
a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law
and written in the Prophets,
 

graceNpeace

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[SUP]Understanding Acts 15
Acts 15:20-21
20
[/SUP]But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood..... (to be continued)

Introducing these 4 things was a very good starting point, for the new converts, to begin growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Why were only 4 things agreed upon in the beginning? Because...
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21 [/SUP]For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
That is certainly not a command to keep the Sabbath...