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a. The imputed righteousness of Christ a neat little trick that does not work
Jesus righteousness spray. This idea is God does not see sin because Jesus's righteousness
is sprayed in Gods eyes so He is blind. It is just a stupid idea, but many claim to believe this.
God sees us as we are, and sees who is walking in faith and following Christ and who is not.

b. Jesus and faith is not enough
Having faith that a car is able to take you somewhere is different to getting in and being driven.
Many claim to have faith in Christ, but do not know His words, His commands or how to follow.
It is literally meaningless unless it dwells in your heart and God is your King and Saviour.

c. Having security in Jesus is an idol
Making security in Christ the definition of a believer or unbeliever is idolatry of assurance.
The logic says Jesus changes us, we just live, and He magically does it all. A morality of
self verses God ensues with continual guilt about self doing things, evil, God doing things, good.
Sin is not the issue, because there is no guilt even while doing it, no repentance or confession,
just looking to Jesus. It creates a weird non christian language and intent, where people do not
know purity or righteousness, cleansing or wholeness, but just this acceptance, and blankness.
In this world God only needed to give us one A4 sheet of paper saying Jesus. It is just junk.
How many people realise this, I do not know, but certainly a number here.

Now little wonder some hate these points, because it undermines their whole position.
But thanks for highlighting it, I can shine a light on the deception and delusion some are under.

Sin matters, it is not some nice thing you do in secret, or something that pruddish people dare
not approach, it is destructive, leads literally to death, and rots the very soul of a person.

Anyone who is compromising with sin, stands judged and in rebellion against the Lord and love.
And such addictions need help, need patience, need working with. It is not surprising so many
end up killing themselves as they struggle with addictions alone, which are destroying the very
life they once knew. We need to pray for such as these, for the sins that bind them but they
excuse so easily.

So you choose brothers and sisters, who is your God.

A God who cannot see you and help you free yourself from the bondage of sin,
or a healing King who can lead you to the walk of Jesus, in purity, love and truth.

I know who the pure and holy would choose, so what is your faith in, the cross and
victory, or compromise and hypocracy?

Here is where PeterJens makes his false statement and false gospel fully aware to others.
 
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Where are the blind most blind? In their indignation and self status.
We are righteous because of what Jesus has done, but not to allow
us to continue in sin but flee from it.

It is plain many wallow in their condemnation, yet claim they have none.
Lying to others is sin, lying to oneself is delusion.
 

TruthTalk

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Eternal life and eternal punishment are forever; as meaning without end, not difficult to understand.

The authority of Jesus;
"He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Originally Posted by PeterJens
Everlasting life is life that goes on forever.
So you only know it is not everlasting when it ends.
 
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Here is where PeterJens makes his false statement and false gospel fully aware to others.
Thank you for pointing this out.

You want a passive faith, with no real delivery.

The joke is this is biblical Christianity, yet it bursts the bubble of your powerless
religion and you hate this. I am glad I am not on your side of the fence, because
I have read enough of the animosity you speak with. God bless you, because through
the cross and Christ we are saved.
 
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If having faith in Jesus is an Idol, then I am an isolator,
lol. Anything can be an idol, if it replaces a living relationship.

It is obviously beyond many. I remember going to church out of habit, and then
asking Jesus to teach me something new. When I did ask, He did answer.

It was odd often people who drifted away and then come back had more life.
It was because they expected God to move and did not compromise.

Thank you my friends for spuring me on, I love you all, God bless.
 

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John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."



John/Yahanan 14:16-21, “And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever. the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you. I shall not leave you orphans – I am coming to you. Yet a little while, and the world no longer sees Me, but you shall see Me, because I live, and you shall live. In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and manifest Myself to him.”





Mat 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."



Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
 
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lol. Anything can be an idol, if it replaces a living relationship.

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How can you possibly say that in light of EG talking about FAITH in JESUS and how you make it into an idol...??

Your statement-->c. Having security in Jesus is an idol

Making security in Christ the definition of a believer or unbeliever is idolatry of assurance.

HOW can having faith and assurance in Christ be an idol....??
 
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John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."



John/Yahanan 14:16-21, “And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever. the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you. I shall not leave you orphans – I am coming to you. Yet a little while, and the world no longer sees Me, but you shall see Me, because I live, and you shall live. In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and manifest Myself to him.”





Mat 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."



Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
Faith saves....not keeping the law......and love is a process of growth and maturity AFTER one has been saved by faith dia grace.....
 
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How can you possibly say that in light of EG talking about FAITH in JESUS and how you make it into an idol...??

Your statement-->c. Having security in Jesus is an idol

Making security in Christ the definition of a believer or unbeliever is idolatry of assurance.

HOW can having faith and assurance in Christ be an idol....??
Yet notice: having confidence in self above Christ, to PeterJens, is not idolatry.

The above statements of PeterJens, are yet again, heretical and absurd.

How any believer can be said to be an idolater for having security in Christ is asinine. Paul and the rest of the apostles and all true born again believers would then be idolaters.

This is so ridiculous it is almost unbelievable but for the actual quoting of his statements as proof.
 
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Originally Posted by PeterJens
I said it.
Imputed righteousness is not biblical, it is a reformation doctrine invented so that
believers could be sinners and still be regard as righteous and forgiven
.

How can you say this when Romans states....

David described the blessedness of the man to whom GOD IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH WORKS
 
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Originally Posted by PeterJens
I said it.
Imputed righteousness is not biblical, it is a reformation doctrine invented so that
believers could be sinners and still be regard as righteous and forgiven
.

How can you say this when Romans states....

David described the blessedness of the man to whom GOD IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH WORKS
now come n D.C., using the bible is not fair! Lol
 

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I've heard this kind of bad bible talk when I was young and we all called it Santa Clause theology. Mr Jens Bibleology is child like. He never produces scripture verses to back up his false ideas because he cannot. And he thinks he is smarter than everyone here. He has the true gospel near him. Saying that God is blind is terrible

"because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son." Hebrews12:6

Originally Posted by: PeterJens

a. The imputed righteousness of Christ a neat little trick that does not work
Jesus righteousness spray. This idea is God does not see sin because Jesus's righteousness
is sprayed in Gods eyes so He is blind. It is just a stupid idea, but many claim to believe this.
God sees us as we are, and sees who is walking in faith and following Christ and who is not.









 
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I've heard this kind of bad bible talk when I was young and we all called it Santa Clause theology. Mr Jens Bibleology is child like. He never produces scripture verses to back up his false ideas because he cannot. And he thinks he is smarter than everyone here. He has the true gospel near him.

"because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son." Hebrews12:6

Originally Posted by PeterJens

a. The imputed righteousness of Christ a neat little trick that does not work
Jesus righteousness spray. This idea is God does not see sin because Jesus's righteousness
is sprayed in Gods eyes so He is blind. It is just a stupid idea, but many claim to believe this.
God sees us as we are, and sees who is walking in faith and following Christ and who is not.









I call it Burger King theology......they want to have it their way.....
 

newton3003

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Somebody here mentioned that God tested Abraham's faith by asking him to sacrifice his only son. If that's not by works, I don't know what is.