Dwight Pentecost claims Gentiles will be Israel's servants during Millennium
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Hebrews 9
9 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
GOD made the promise to Abraham and GOD is Faithful. The problem is the unbelieving dead in sin desiring to obtain by flesh and not Spirit.
All I read is people laying lies to support the Jewish people proclaiming a king son of David according to flesh..
The Messiah came in flesh to save us and I will not believe otherwise. GOD is true and all men liars.
There is deep dark deception at work.. and the Spiritually blind will be led into the ditch by believing the lies and not the Word of GOD.
9 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
GOD made the promise to Abraham and GOD is Faithful. The problem is the unbelieving dead in sin desiring to obtain by flesh and not Spirit.
All I read is people laying lies to support the Jewish people proclaiming a king son of David according to flesh..
The Messiah came in flesh to save us and I will not believe otherwise. GOD is true and all men liars.
There is deep dark deception at work.. and the Spiritually blind will be led into the ditch by believing the lies and not the Word of GOD.
K
That hashtag is offensive and anti-semitic and should be removed. Im sorry SG,thats beyond the pale.Romans says the Jews are loved because of the patriarchs,and we Gentiles are not to be proud and boastful. When I see the disdain for the Jewish people by some here,it grieves me and worries me. But that hashtag is not the heart of God SG.
He's missing something- all God's Israelites today are spiritual Israelites. Both physical Israelites, and physical Gentiles, must get baptized into Christ in order to be God's people today. Physical Israelites no longer have a birth right to be God's people. Physicality means nothing anymore, Israel is now "whosoever will". So we are the Israel that the prophesies after the cross are referring to.
loveme1,
The first thing to note is that Scripture does not contradict itself, for the simple reason that God does not contradict Himself, and He is not the God of confusion. So what you quoted from Hebrews cannot be in conflict with prophecies regarding Israel. It now up to us -- with the help of the Holy Spirit -- to harmonize what is revealed in Scripture.
Do you also believe that God made a promise to Abraham that his physical descendants (the twelve tribes of Israel) would occupy the land between the Nile and the Euphrates for eternity? If not, why not? And if you are not familiar with this promise, should you not carefully study the Abrahamic Covenant, which was reiterated to Isaac, and Jacob?
You can attack people all you want, but you cannot attack the Word of God. So is it not true that God Himself said through Ezekiel that David would be king over a future redeemed and restored Israel? Have you studied the book of Ezekiel, and do you believe that it is as much the Word of God as the Gospel of John?
Who has denied this? Certainly not the ones who believe both the Gospel of John and Ezekiel. So is it not true from Scripture that Christ came the first time "in flesh" and in humiliation to become the Lamb of God, but He will come the second time "with power and great glory" to establish the Kingdom of God on earth? If you do not believe this, then you make God a liar.
That is quite an accusation against Christian brethren who believe ALL of the Bible. So the deception (or shall we say self-deception) is among those who refuse to believe the prophecies which are yet to be fulfilled.
The first thing to note is that Scripture does not contradict itself, for the simple reason that God does not contradict Himself, and He is not the God of confusion. So what you quoted from Hebrews cannot be in conflict with prophecies regarding Israel. It now up to us -- with the help of the Holy Spirit -- to harmonize what is revealed in Scripture.
Do you also believe that God made a promise to Abraham that his physical descendants (the twelve tribes of Israel) would occupy the land between the Nile and the Euphrates for eternity? If not, why not? And if you are not familiar with this promise, should you not carefully study the Abrahamic Covenant, which was reiterated to Isaac, and Jacob?
You can attack people all you want, but you cannot attack the Word of God. So is it not true that God Himself said through Ezekiel that David would be king over a future redeemed and restored Israel? Have you studied the book of Ezekiel, and do you believe that it is as much the Word of God as the Gospel of John?
Who has denied this? Certainly not the ones who believe both the Gospel of John and Ezekiel. So is it not true from Scripture that Christ came the first time "in flesh" and in humiliation to become the Lamb of God, but He will come the second time "with power and great glory" to establish the Kingdom of God on earth? If you do not believe this, then you make God a liar.
That is quite an accusation against Christian brethren who believe ALL of the Bible. So the deception (or shall we say self-deception) is among those who refuse to believe the prophecies which are yet to be fulfilled.
You are obviously speaking of the Church Age, and during the Church Age -- and within the Church -- there is absolutely no distinction between Jews and Gentiles.
But what about after the Church Age and the Rapture of the Church? Have you studied the prophets and seen what God has revealed concerning a redeemed and restored Israel on earth for eternity? If not why not? Are the writings of the prophets not the Word of God? And is there no significance to the second coming of Christ and its relationship to Israel and the Jews?
The real issue is that pastors and teachers in many churches have failed to bring out the difference between the Church Age and the future of the earth after Christ has established the Kingdom of God on earth. Everything is simply "spiritualized" since that is the easy way out.
But what about after the Church Age and the Rapture of the Church? Have you studied the prophets and seen what God has revealed concerning a redeemed and restored Israel on earth for eternity? If not why not? Are the writings of the prophets not the Word of God? And is there no significance to the second coming of Christ and its relationship to Israel and the Jews?
The real issue is that pastors and teachers in many churches have failed to bring out the difference between the Church Age and the future of the earth after Christ has established the Kingdom of God on earth. Everything is simply "spiritualized" since that is the easy way out.
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thanks for calling me dumb i appreciate it...... but in ur wisdom have u ever considered that when Jesus returns in matthew 25:46 there are only two options, no humans left in the flesh to populate u see........ others get judgment and others get eternal life u see... now if u have eternal life and immortality, how can u rebel at the end of the thousand years????? when no sin is in you anymore u see......
all the nations will come to jerusalem to sacrifice???????????? ok so u are one of those premillennialists who are ok with saying that Jesus' sacrifice and destruction of the temple was only temporary until we go right back to the blood of bulls and goats......... i think this is very wrong and against what the new testament teaches.
thanks for calling my spirit a rebellious one and saying i would revolt against Christ. have a good day.
Luke 17:20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
all the nations will come to jerusalem to sacrifice???????????? ok so u are one of those premillennialists who are ok with saying that Jesus' sacrifice and destruction of the temple was only temporary until we go right back to the blood of bulls and goats......... i think this is very wrong and against what the new testament teaches.
thanks for calling my spirit a rebellious one and saying i would revolt against Christ. have a good day.
Luke 17:20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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So you don't like the distinction? We will even see the distinction in heaven so maybe you don't really want to go there.
Revelation 21:10-14 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west. And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
There's nothing wrong with distinctions. We're all one in Messiah. I feel honored and blessed by the Jews who brought to us our Messiah. They are a light to the gentiles.
What's wrong with being servants and being in submission. We already are to God's ways and to God's will.
If God wills that we serve the Jewish nation, I praise the Lord for that. I'm in subjection to God, to my husband, to the authorities of this earth, to the body of Christ.
I'm in submission to God and to all believers and unbelievers as God wills it. They are beautiful words, nothing wrong with serving one another in brotherly love. They are our brothers and we're all co-heirs in Christ.
You quote Dwight, but without the meaning and intent of what he says, all you're doing is taking things said out of their context to make this brother, this child of God an enemy.
Zech 14:16 ¶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
new testament doesn't mention another age after church age except for eternity!!!!!!!!
Matthew 12:32
"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
and look what the parallel verse to this says about the age to come and its duration u see:
Mark 3:28-29
"Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin "--
it seems final in Matthew 25:46 too, only two options u see?
Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
seems pretty clear, i could be wrong but how can u fit mortals in a 1000 year earthly reign to matthew 25:46 i wanna know..... i will believe it if its demonstrated
Matthew 12:32
"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
and look what the parallel verse to this says about the age to come and its duration u see:
Mark 3:28-29
"Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin "--
it seems final in Matthew 25:46 too, only two options u see?
Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
seems pretty clear, i could be wrong but how can u fit mortals in a 1000 year earthly reign to matthew 25:46 i wanna know..... i will believe it if its demonstrated
It's doesn't need the full context, those statements stand alone. If you desire to read the full context the book is available in hard back or kindle.
"make this brother, this child of God an enemy"
This is the third slanderous comment made in this thread with no supporting evidence and is uncalled for.
"make this brother, this child of God an enemy"
This is the third slanderous comment made in this thread with no supporting evidence and is uncalled for.
Lets say you are outside looking at your lawn, and a tree has cast a shadow on the grass. Is the sunshine grass still your lawn? Of course. Let's call the shadow grass 'physical' and the SONshine grass 'spiritual'. And you say you plan to mow your lawn. Will you only mow under the tree when most of your lawn is in the sun? No, as the shadow turns into sunshine it is still accomplishing what you said would be done.
In the same way, Abraham's physical descendants will own that physical land as long as long as the physical shadow is cast upon them. But now that Abraham's descendants are spiritual so is the land spiritual. Just as the laws were done physically in the Old Testament but are now done spiritually in the New Testament, the prophesies that were once fulfilled physically are now fulfulilled spiritually.
When we sing the song "To Cannan's Land I'm on my way- where the soul never dies." Does not mean we are physically going to a physical land. It means that the prophesy is now being fulfilled spiritually, no longer physically. Physical Israelites today are no longer God's people (unless they become so spiritually through baptism like everyone else). And the physical land is no longer God's land. They are just like the rest of the world.
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Well, if Abraham's descendants are "spiritual" (as you claim) then we would not have this passage in the last book of the Bible (Rev 7). And this group is juxtaposed with another group of "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" which means that there can be no confusion and not spiritualizing of the tribes of Israel.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
In view of just this passage (and there are dozens of others) you have only two choices (1) deny that what God says is iiterally true or (2) put a fanciful interpretation, on this and claim that it is speaking about Gentiles instead of Israelites.
Why are Christians unwilling to accept the fact that during the Church Age the Church may be metaphorically called "the Israel of God" (since believing Jews are the "good olive tree" into which Gentiles have been grafted), but after the Church is raptured the actually tribes of Israel will be revived and brought into their land as promised to Abraham? Those who deny this make God a liar.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
In view of just this passage (and there are dozens of others) you have only two choices (1) deny that what God says is iiterally true or (2) put a fanciful interpretation, on this and claim that it is speaking about Gentiles instead of Israelites.
Why are Christians unwilling to accept the fact that during the Church Age the Church may be metaphorically called "the Israel of God" (since believing Jews are the "good olive tree" into which Gentiles have been grafted), but after the Church is raptured the actually tribes of Israel will be revived and brought into their land as promised to Abraham? Those who deny this make God a liar.
Sorry, Bro, but it does, Note what it says in Acts 1:6,7
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Were the apostles mistaken? Did the Lord say they were mistaken? Did He rebuke them for this belief? Did He say it would never happen? Or did He simply say that there was a time and a season for everything, and their first priority was the Gospel to every creature?
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Were the apostles mistaken? Did the Lord say they were mistaken? Did He rebuke them for this belief? Did He say it would never happen? Or did He simply say that there was a time and a season for everything, and their first priority was the Gospel to every creature?
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tthen answer matthew 25:46?????? some eternal condemnation some eternal life, no middle of the road. no flesh humans in a half-way condition u see??? where do u get that from. not from the new testament u see.
i posted new testament quotes from Jesus u guys always post old testament stuff like roger posted zechariah 14 but new testament says animal sacrifices are over!!!!!
i posted new testament quotes from Jesus u guys always post old testament stuff like roger posted zechariah 14 but new testament says animal sacrifices are over!!!!!