rapture and the second coming, the same thing?

[Snoozy]

i believe its not da same thing. if you believe in the millennium on earth where Jesus rules from Jerusalem u must believe that da second coming aint the same thing as da rapture, what that means is that they dont happen at da same time.

in post-trib land u got da big problem of where do all da people come from to populate the millennium? bcuz if its da same event u got all da saved people getting resurrected glorified bodies so u aint got nobody left to populate tha kingdom.

how do post-tribbers solve this?

 

[unobtrusive]

i believe its not da same thing. if you believe in the millennium on earth where Jesus rules from Jerusalem u must believe that da second coming aint the same thing as da rapture, what that means is that they dont happen at da same time.

in post-trib land u got da big problem of where do all da people come from to populate the millennium? bcuz if its da same event u got all da saved people getting resurrected glorified bodies so u aint got nobody left to populate tha kingdom.

how do post-tribbers solve this?

We go up into the clouds with Christ, and at that point we are forever with Him. We don't go to heaven, but come down with Him as part of His Kingdom council to rule with Him in the New Jerusalem. The Bible doesn't indicate how long we will be in the clouds with Him. I believe it won't be long at all, probably 10-15 days considering Trumpets and Atonement in the seventh month. Just before that, the harvest is finished.

If we want to understand these things, we should drop our demand of saying the Law is finished and go back and adhere to its observance so we can understand these things better.

 

[bluto]

We go up into the clouds with Christ, and at that point we are forever with Him. We don't go to heaven, but come down with Him as part of His Kingdom council to rule with Him in the New Jerusalem. The Bible doesn't indicate how long we will be in the clouds with Him. I believe it won't be long at all, probably 10-15 days considering Trumpets and Atonement in the seventh month. Just before that, the harvest is finished.

If we want to understand these things, we should drop our demand of saying the Law is finished and go back and adhere to its observance so we can understand these things better.

Ten or fifteen days? How about a "twinkling" of an eye at 1 Corinthians 15:52? Cross reference that with 1 Thessalians 4:13-18. In other words, the twinkling of an eye is one continous action. Again, just read the order at 1 Thess 4:13-18. Ten or fifteen days, I don't want my vacation in Hawaii interupted untill the 10 or 15 days are over. Lol. PS: I'm a post-tribulationist and there is only the 2nd coming, not some rapture and then a second coming. Read Hebrews 9:28, "so Christ also, having been offered ONCE to bear the sins of many shall APPEAR A SECOND time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[followjesus]

i believe its not da same thing. if you believe in the millennium on earth where Jesus rules from Jerusalem u must believe that da second coming aint the same thing as da rapture, what that means is that they dont happen at da same time.

in post-trib land u got da big problem of where do all da people come from to populate the millennium? bcuz if its da same event u got all da saved people getting resurrected glorified bodies so u aint got nobody left to populate tha kingdom.

how do post-tribbers solve this?

all of thr tribulations have passed by revelation 20 all thats left is a short time that satan gathers His army and final Judgement . the seals, vials, and trumpets are already gone by that point, so what you are referring to Here is after all the tribulation anyways.

also remeber there has been a resurrection already, when Jesus rose many saints rose with him.

matthew 27 : And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

i wouls steer away from a literal interpretation of 1000 years as we see time, revelation is a spiritual vision of whats happening on earth and in Heaven. if we could take it literal we could then calculate a certain time for the events and No one can do that.


we arent going to see a red dragon woith 7 heads literally, were not going to see the horsemen of the apocolypse, those things are spiritual symbols of theings unleashed into the earth.

 

[unobtrusive]

Ten or fifteen days? How about a "twinkling" of an eye at 1 Corinthians 15:52? Cross reference that with 1 Thessalians 4:13-18. In other words, the twinkling of an eye is one continous action. Again, just read the order at 1 Thess 4:13-18. Ten or fifteen days, I don't want my vacation in Hawaii interupted untill the 10 or 15 days are over. Lol. PS: I'm a post-tribulationist and there is only the 2nd coming, not some rapture and then a second coming. Read Hebrews 9:28, "so Christ also, having been offered ONCE to bear the sins of many shall APPEAR A SECOND time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I don't disagree with you at all. The twinkling of an eye is when we go up. The twinkling of an eye isn't when we come down. When we come down, we have a battle to fight along side of our King of Kings. I'm "post tribulation" also. The General has to call His army together with His angels before the battle.

Revelation 19:11-16
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I saw *heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the armies which were in *heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

*Heaven = (οὐρανός ouranós) the vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it. the aerial heavens or sky, the region where the *clouds and the tempests gather, and where thunder and lightning are produced.

 

[unobtrusive]

i believe its not da same thing. if you believe in the millennium on earth where Jesus rules from Jerusalem u must believe that da second coming aint the same thing as da rapture, what that means is that they dont happen at da same time.

in post-trib land u got da big problem of where do all da people come from to populate the millennium? bcuz if its da same event u got all da saved people getting resurrected glorified bodies so u aint got nobody left to populate tha kingdom.

how do post-tribbers solve this?

Take a look at this post and how I, as a post triber, solve this with scripture. It ain't hard.

 

[Deacon_D]

I think you’ll find the rapture takes place in chapture 14 and then there is about 3 1/2 years before the Secong Coming.

 

[Willie-T]

☺ So very hopeful... but also so very confused. ☺

 

[unobtrusive]

I think you’ll find the rapture takes place in chapture 14 and then there is about 3 1/2 years before the Secong Coming.

I haven't totally disregarded that either. Time will tell, but the Bible doesn't specify define the scenario you seem to endorse. When I see it in the scripture, or witness it first hand, then I will discontinue viewing your outlook as a hypothesis.

 

[unobtrusive]

☺ So very hopeful... but also so very confused. ☺

OH my goodness. You know who the author of confusion is? It ain't Almighty God.

 

[Snoozy]

my point aint been touched yet.

if yall are post-trib where do we get the mortals to the millennium?

 

[unobtrusive]

my point aint been touched yet.

if yall are post-trib where do we get the mortals to the millennium?

"And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." (Matthew 24:22)

Some will live through it saved or not. There is a reason Christ comes back with an "IRON ROD."

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (Revelation 19:15)

This is prophecy of the millennial reign of Christ.
Zechariah 14:16-19
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 

[Deacon_D]

Why? Speak your mind.

 

[p_rehbein]

Regarding the question posed in the Title:


Yes

 

[Depleted]

i believe its not da same thing. if you believe in the millennium on earth where Jesus rules from Jerusalem u must believe that da second coming aint the same thing as da rapture, what that means is that they dont happen at da same time.

in post-trib land u got da big problem of where do all da people come from to populate the millennium? bcuz if its da same event u got all da saved people getting resurrected glorified bodies so u aint got nobody left to populate tha kingdom.

how do post-tribbers solve this?

Well, I don't believe in the modern-construct called "rapture," so don't think any of this matters.

 

[notuptome]

Regarding the question posed in the Title:


Yes

Clearly the correct answer is no.

Rapture is a church event. Christ is coming to gather His church unto Himself.

The second coming is an event focused on Israel who was the focus of His first advent.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[EarsToHear]

The so-called rapture is a false doctrine, which can only be documented by twisting scripture. This is one of Satan's MOs.


Remember that religion is one of Satan’s hidden dynasties. He loves to plant false doctrines, which twist Scripture, in Christian churches.


If you believe the rapture, you may find yourself among the following group of deceived Christians when Christ returns.


And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. Revelation 6:16


The above folks are so ashamed because they’ve been worshiping the wrong Christ.


It seems that the rapture people have forgotten how to count. The think the 7th trump comes before 6th ... that the real Christ comes before the false one comes. Christ returns at the 7th trump, not the 6th trump;


At the 6th seal, 6th trump, 6th vial (666), Michael will boot satan, playing his role as the antichrist (instead of Christ in the Greek), from heaven to earth (Revelation Chapter 12:6-9). Keep in mind that Revelation is a Prophetic book making the word SAW into the futuristic word "will" fall etc.


Christ also gave you all 7 seals & trumps in Mark 13, Luke 21, and Matthew 24. Have you read them with understanding?


So, from where then did the false rapture doctrine come?


Before 1830, you can find no mention of the Rapture Doctrine. That alone ought to send up a red flag. In fact, the word "rapture" is not in the Bible. So, where did this false doctrine come from? In 1830, Margaret MacDonald had an evil revelation on her sick bed, supposedly from God, in which she was shown what would become "The Rapture Of The Church", among other names.


And, from The Incredible Cover-up by Dave Macpherson, Appendix A, you'll read:


"I felt this needed to be revealed, and that there was great darkness and error about it; but suddenly what it was burst upon me with a glorious light." - Margaret MacDonald (Spring of 1830)


MacDonald's revelation would have probably died with her; however, two preachers grabbed it, cleaned it up, and presented it to Christendom. Today, you'll hear many pastors promoting that false doctrine from pulpits.

 

[Deacon_D]

If I were you I wouldn’t worry about the rapture because you won’t be alive to see it. In 2 Thes 2:7 it says he that letteth will let TIL he be taken out of the way. That he is us, the U.S. we are taken out by God because Israel has to be left on her own

 

[Muzungu256]

If I were you I wouldn’t worry about the rapture because you won’t be alive to see it. In 2 Thes 2:7 it says he that letteth will let TIL he be taken out of the way. That he is us, the U.S. we are taken out by God because Israel has to be left on her own

u are saying its the usa? LOL this is a strange doctrine indeed.

 

[Deacon_D]

No doctrine just know my Bible.