Not By Works

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That’s why, if your not under GRACE then your under LAW. So if you do not except His commandments under GRACE then you are put under the LAW.
 
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Muzungu256 said:
PHART what makes u think that people who believe once saved always saved dont heed to those warnings about backsliding u see????? there are people in both camps u see who dont heed to those warnings, and some who do!!!!!!!!
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Regardless.....once a son by birth always a son by birth....we are not under the condemnation of the law and are dealt with as sons, rewarded accordingly and even as the prodigal who wasted his inheritance through riotous living was still received as a son and was very much alive through the whole process though perceived as dead by his actions.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
Old Covenant....we are not under the condemnation of the law!!
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Really?

Are you telling me that the snip I had last week was irrelevant?

Wish I had read

Romans 2:29
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Philippians 3:2-3


2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,

Anyway I’m off to bed.

Walking up the stairs like John Wayne who has just got of his horse
 
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TruthTalk said:
"Yes or No", can a true born again believer "lose their eternal salvation."

No need to dance around this issue. Tell me what do you believe. "Yes or No", I do not want to jump threw more of your whoops, just a simple, "yes or no", answer will do please.

Yes: a true believer can lose their salvation.
No: a true believer cannot lose their salvation.
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He obviously believes he can lose it or forfeit it......his god is too weak and inept to keep him saved and or keep.his promises....

Jesus begins, finishes and COMPLETES what he began in me..to say otherwise is to plainly state that Jesus cannot finish or complete that WHICH HE STARTED....to say this or imply this is to call God a liar and severly lacking in power
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
so it is dependent on a believer to save himself by continuing to believe. And Not God.

Yet you say you do not teach works. Your whole gospel is works man, it is what YOU HAVE TO DO. Not what God did, Is doing and WILL Do.
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His view reeks....a true believer's faith was begun BY CHRIST, will be FINISHED BY CHRIST, will be COMPLETED BY CHRIST and he will LOSE NOTHING BUT RAISE IT UP THE LAST DAY!

To say one can over power Jesus and walk away lost denies what Jesus does and states clearly that Jesus fails, the Holy Spirit fails and the Father Fails.........!!
 
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BillG said:
Yes we will.

I will be saved by my faith in Jesus and his death and resurrection.
My works will be judged.

But you haven’t answered my questions.
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Amen Bill......the Bema seat of Christ for the saved as opposed to the Great White Throne judgement of God for the lost..........
 
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ROFL @ the snip and John Wayne.. oh my lanta... ha hahahaha


BillG said:
Really?

Are you telling me that the snip I had last week was irrelevant?

Wish I had read

Romans 2:29
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Philippians 3:2-3


2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,

Anyway I’m off to bed.

Walking up the stairs like John Wayne who has just got of his horse
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blue_ladybug

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Gets a real chuckle out of certain parts of this post... LOL

My belly hurts from laughing.. Laughing.png


BillG said:
Really?

Are you telling me that the snip I had last week was irrelevant?

Wish I had read

Romans 2:29
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Philippians 3:2-3


2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,

Anyway I’m off to bed.

Walking up the stairs like John Wayne who has just got of his horse
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You try sitting under a tree and say “Lord feed me but I not moving til I get fed”..we’ll find your bleached bones under this t tree later on. Lol
 
dcontroversal

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PHart said:
Again, you're just using scriptures that when separated from the whole counsel of the Bible defend OSAS. Are you afraid of the scriptures that can not be true if OSAS is true and so that's why you ignore them?
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This whole "are you afraid of garbage" is redundantly ignorant!
 
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Keeping the law/commandments saves no one....a man cannot be saved by attempting to adhere that that which by design proves his guilt....the righteousness WITHOUT THE LAW is revealed and imputed IN CHRIST to all who believe. A man is justified by faith WITHOUT THE WORKS AND DEEDS OF THE LAW......The Pharisees who religiously KEPT THE LAW AND COULD NOT BE CONDEMNED OUTWARDLY "Saul" had to be re-educated under saving faith and grace and then states clearly....to blend "law keeping/works" with faith to finish or cap off salvation is a false gospel of another kind with no power....ALL WHO BELIEVE AND PEDDLE it are deceived and foolish <-Galatians 1 and 3!
 
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BillG said:
Really?

Are you telling me that the snip I had last week was irrelevant?

Wish I had read

Romans 2:29
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Philippians 3:2-3


2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,

Anyway I’m off to bed.

Walking up the stairs like John Wayne who has just got of his horse
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Yeah really, read John......
 
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PHart said:
All CHRISTIANS are saved until the day of redemption. It is EX-Christians/ ex-believers that are no longer saved until the day of redemption.

"Christ was faithful as a Son over His house—whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end." (Hebrews 3:6 NASB)

God can not keep the ex-believer by his power because God keeps one until the Day of Salvation THROUGH FAITH (1 Peter 1:5). But the ex-believer no longer has the faith through which God keeps a person safe until the Day of Salvation.
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Phart this is all double talk; Quote Pfart: "All CHRISTIANS are saved until the day of redemption."

"All CHRISTIANS are saved until the day of redemption." -- thats not the question

And I'm not asking about; "It is EX-Christians/ ex-believers that are no longer saved until the day of redemption."

And Can True born again Christian's "lose there eternal salvation," "yes or no"

Easy Phart please just answer the question, "yes or no"
 
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Deacon_D said:
You try sitting under a tree and say “Lord feed me but I not moving til I get fed”..we’ll find your bleached bones under this t tree later on. Lol
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Kind of like Elijah or the 5000 or the 7000 made to sit and then were fed.......
 
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PHart said:
When you first heard the call to salvation, was your salvation dependent on you to save yourself by believing and not God?

Of course not, lol. So how is it that exact same believing is now suddenly a works gospel effort to save yourself?


You claim that believing is works, yet you won't provide any scripture that says that, while I have been posting the verse that plainly says believing is NOT works and is CONTRASTED with works as to that which can justify (Romans 4:5).

For some odd reason, you and many others have foolishly put believing on the side of the works that can not justify. It's a lack of knowledge, plain and simple. You have been taught that since salvation is not by works that means you do not have to do anything at all to be saved--not even believe, and if you do anything to be saved you are trying to earn your own salvation. I honestly can not believe the church has sunk to this all time low that now even believing is a work of the damnable works gospel.
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You said this yesterday, it is just as faulty today as it was yesterday.

Your the one saying eternal life is DEPENDENT on a person to have the ability to continue to believe. Your placing onus on a person and his ability, not Gods ability to keep you in faith.

If we are saved by faith, Then the moment we have faith we are saved FOREVER,. If salvation can then be lost. It in reality must be earned.

You can not get away from that.
 
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