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Crustyone

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Deacon_D said:
If He did not call then why did He die for all?
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All babies and children who don't know right from wrong yet will be saved if they die before choosing evil over good. There by Jesus died for all, but knew who would choose evil and those would not be called. Knowing who would be good or evil allows God to keep the ones who will grow up evil to grow and choose. Also God can put only good children in harms way to prevent evil ones from being saved. At least that's the way I look at it.
 
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SovereignGrace

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TruthTalk said:
2 Reservations please........:)
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Uhhh, why are you asking for reservations? Your name was written in the Lamb's Book of Life from before the creation of the world.

The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.[Rev. 17:8]

Soooooo, if there are names that were not written in this Book before the creation of the world, then that also means there are names that were written in that Book from before the creation of the world.

No need to ask for your reservation, God took care of that before He said, "Let there be light..."
 
Amberlight

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SovereignGrace said:
Uhhh, why are you asking for reservations? Your name was written in the Lamb's Book of Life from before the creation of the world.

The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.[Rev. 17:8]

Soooooo, if there are names that were not written in this Book before the creation of the world, then that also means there are names that were written in that Book from before the creation of the world.

No need to ask for your reservation, God took care of that before He said, "Let there be light..."
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Any brown sauce ?
 
TruthTalk

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SovereignGrace said:
Uhhh, why are you asking for reservations? Your name was written in the Lamb's Book of Life from before the creation of the world.

The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.[Rev. 17:8]

Soooooo, if there are names that were not written in this Book before the creation of the world, then that also means there are names that were written in that Book from before the creation of the world.

No need to ask for your reservation, God took care of that before He said, "Let there be light..."
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I thought she was calling for dinner reservations so I asked for 2, one for my wife and one for me.....:)

 
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BenFTW said:
I've got to ask. Why is it considered a legalistic gospel to suggest one can give salvation up?
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Because they have decided that trusting in the gospel is a work of the damnable works gospel. I have asked repeatedly for the scripture that says this, and of course, they produce none because there is none. The best they can come up with is if you yourself do the trusting that is fake believing/trusting. But they have not been able to explain how our believing/trusting was not fake believing and a work of self righteousness when we first started it, just that it is now if we think we have to continue doing that believing/trusting to continue to be saved. It's a very odd doctrine.



BenFTW said:
So it seems to me, in some ways, both parties are on the same side that salvation is by grace through faith. Only one believes the possibility to reject the gift. This doesn't seem to me to be heresy, or merit any hostility.
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And this is exactly what I've said, too. The fundamental argument over OSAS all boils down to whether or not the believer can really stop believing. And I, like you, don't think it's worth going to fist-a-cuffs over because those who are sure they will never stop believing because they can't stop believing will find out for themselves when their hour of trial in their garden of Gethsemane comes if it's possible to stop believing or not.

Of course, this excludes H-grace adherents (whose doctrine we are not allowed to discuss) because they are sure if they do stop believing--in complete contradiction to the insistence that the true believer will never stop believing--they will still be saved despite their unbelief. That is the sad place that the church has come to in these end times.
 
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TruthTalk said:
Phart has made "Keep believing" is the power to save...
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No, I didn't say that. This is what I said (note the emboldened part):
PHart said:
See, look...

"the gospel, for it (the gospel) is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes" (Romans 1:16 NASB)

The power of salvation is in the gospel not in your believing, but that hardly makes it so you do not have to believe. Paul said it is the power of salvation for those who believe. That's the part you and I do in salvation. Believing is how you access the power of salvation that does the saving.
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That's why believing/trusting is not a self-righteous work as you folks are claiming. Believing simply accesses Christ's work in salvation. Accessing Christ's work in salvation through faith is hardly a works gospel. In fact, that's the very definition of the gospel--being saved, and remaining saved, by accessing Christ's work in salvation through faith.
 
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stonesoffire

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TruthTalk said:
I thought she was calling for dinner reservations so I asked for 2, one for my wife and one for me.....:)
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cute! :D

But no.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit andthe bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Answering Deacon.
 
stonesoffire

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PHart said:
No, I didn't say that. This is what I said (note the emboldened part):

That's why believing/trusting is not a self-righteous work as you folks are claiming. Believing simply accesses Christ's work in salvation. Accessing Christ's work in salvation through faith is hardly a works gospel. In fact, that's the very definition of the gospel--being saved, and remaining saved, by accessing Christ's work in salvation through faith.
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Be a "David". I think joe fizz already spoke about this in a post. The name David means burning hot love. That's all we need and even this is given to us by being filled with Holy Spirit. His great love for us will keep us in the fire burning for Him.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Be a "David". I think joe fizz already spoke about this in a post. The name David means burning hot love. That's all we need and even this is given to us by being filled with Holy Spirit. His great love for us will keep us in the fire burning for Him.
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This is the duplicity that I've been challenging in this thread. On one hand you tell me to "be a David", but I'm being told that if I seek to do that I'm trying to earn my salvation. But then you turn right around and say I don't have to seek to be a David because "His great love for us will keep us...burning for Him".
 
SovereignGrace

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Ladies and gentlemen, in tonight's main event we have the Self-Starters vs the Grace-Reliers...

In this corner, we have the Self-Starters...




And over in this corner we have the God-Reliers...




The Self-Starters start out pretty quick in this one...



But the God-Reliers come back strong...



Then the Self-Starters come up with their finishing move...

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Could this be the end for the God-Reliers? 1....2....no!! The God-Reliers kicked out of the Self-Starters' finishing move.



This looks like the end for the Self-Starters...

Uh oh...the God-Reliers just planted their finishing move on the Self-Starters...



And this is the end for the Self-Starters...

1....2....3!!!




Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.[1 Corinthians 9:25]
 
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SovereignGrace

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SovereignGrace said:
Ladies and gentlemen, in tonight's main event we have the Self-Starters vs the Grace-Reliers...

In this corner, we have the Self-Starters...




And over in this corner we have the God-Reliers...




The Self-Starters start out pretty quick in this one...



But the God-Reliers come back strong...



Then the Self-Starters come up with their finishing move...

+

Could this be the end for the God-Reliers? 1....2....no!! The God-Reliers kicked out of the Self-Starters' finishing move.



This looks like the end for the Self-Starters...

Uh oh...the God-Reliers just planted their finishing move on the Self-Starters...



And this is the end for the Self-Starters...

1....2....3!!!




Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.[1 Corinthians 9:25]
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I ran out of time to edit the above, so I will place this .gif here...

 
Muzungu256

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dcontroversal i think many can mean alll u see.... example: daniel 12:2 i think all will be resurrected. Jesus i think mentions this in john 5:28-29 and he says all u see.
 
Muzungu256

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ayyyyyy big mon SovereignGrace with the hulk hogan gifs...... im a big fan of wrestling
 
Muzungu256

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Phart u keep talking about continue to believe n tings but i dont know how u can stop believing?????? i have tried many times u see....... i havent succeeded. so im living proof of God holding on to us and keeping us u see.

but also doesnt the bible teach that its God that gifts us the faith????? i think i remember reading it somewhere u see.
 
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