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trofimus

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I think it simply means sins punishable by death in the Law.

I.e. adultery, sex with animals, witchcraft, blasphemy etc.
 

joaniemarie

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Who says God condemns sinners to hell ?
No you got that all wrong it is the sinner who chooses to go to hell by sinning.


People are going to hell because they reject the Son of God. Everyone is born in sin. Born in Adam. So we all are condemned just by being born into the human race of Adam. Having done no good or bad thing. We are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are sinners.

Seems like a tricky wordy thing but it makes sense once you think on it a while. We are not sinners because we sin.... We are already sinners right out of the box. So we are doing what comes naturally. This is an awesome truth because it helps establish why we are made righteous by Jesus and not our works.

Our sinfulness comes from being born in sin., born into Adam's race. We can only be redeemed by getting reborn into another "race" into Christ. This is an amazing truth that when meditated on., it brings tons of living water to flow in and through us. Jesus said: "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said - from his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water"

 

Amberlight

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How can something be a sinner without doing a sin ?
 

phil36

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I think you do not realize the reason why people end in hell.
It is not result of God putting them in it.
God gives us a choice.
All this should be quite easy concept for anyone.:rolleyes:

Yep God gives us a real choice.. And yet God will send them to Hell Matt25:41

[FONT=&quot]“Then he will say to those on his left, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]‘Depart from me, you [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]cursed, into [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]the eternal fire prepared for [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]the devil and his angels.

God himself has set the appointed place for sinners to go.. and He is just in doing so! and yet the sinner will have no recourse for he will go where he wants to.

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[FONT=&quot] Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”, for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. James 1:13-16[/FONT]
 

joaniemarie

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And yet God will condemn sinners to eternal hell..he doesn't send the sin to hell but the sinner. What Paul Ellis (I am assuming he wrote what you are saying?) is doing is taking the love God has for His people and applying it to all men.

I would be very careful about calling God a liar.

Basically what is said above is a spin on universalism, especially if you take it to its logical conclusion. If God has forgiven all men then why are they going to hell, that is to say, why would God send men and women to hell if he poured the wath he had for them in His son? You are basically saying God is injust!! for if what you have said above is true then that would include unbelief..as we were all unbelievers!

You need to 'carefully' read what has been written because there is no way I have said everyone is saved. Each person has to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. No one comes to the Father but by Him. So go back and "carefullllly" read again before pronouncing what you misread to be what was actually posted.
 

Amberlight

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Yep God gives us a real choice.. And yet God will send them to Hell Matt25:41

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

God himself has set the appointed place for sinners to go.. and He is just in doing so! and yet the sinner will have no recourse for he will go where he wants to.

Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”, for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. James 1:13-16
I do not think you really understand the concept .
No worries.
 

joaniemarie

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How can something be a sinner without doing a sin ?


You need to go back.... and read..... carefully. I just explained... all of us were born into Adam's race of sinners. We are allllll sinners and we sin because we are sinners. We need to be reborn into Christ. Amen!!
 

Amberlight

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You need to go back.... and read..... carefully. I just explained... all of us were born into Adam's race of sinners. We are allllll sinners and we sin because we are sinners. We need to be reborn into Christ. Amen!!
So our spirit is sinful before we are in earth ? So God creates sinful spirits ?
 

mailmandan

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All sins are on purpose, but willfully means premeditated without goal or effort to stop.
To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).
 

Amberlight

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To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

On that note lets all share cookies and milk. I have some strawberry milkshakes coming too if i have time to go out.
 

joaniemarie

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So our spirit is sinful before we are in earth ? So God creates sinful spirits ?

We are dead in trespasses and sins right out of the box because of our birth-identification with Adam. We are part of the human race that fell in the garden of Eden. God warned Adam and Eve if they ate the fruit they would surely die. God told our "fore father" Adam not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

But Adam chose to not believe God. Adam and his wife Eve believed the snake instead of God who loved them. God gave them everything they needed and then some. They had a perfect life. But they forfeited it all and satan took it all from Adam after Adam willingly gave it alllll over. Adam could have defeated the devil by trusting God. Adam and Eve died spiritually and eventually physically because sin brings death.


God doesn't cause man to sin. God gave Adam and Eve every opportunity not to sin.
 
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trofimus

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So our spirit is sinful before we are in earth ? So God creates sinful spirits ?
I would rather say that our body is sinful and our will inclines to desires of our body.
 

Amberlight

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We are dead in trespasses and sins right out of the box because of our birth-identification with Adam. We are part of the human race that fell in the garden of Eden. God told our "fore father" Adam not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But Adam chose to not believe God. Adam and his wife Eve believed the snake instead of God who loved them. God gave them everything they needed and then some. They had a perfect life. But they forfeited it all and satan took it all from Adam after Adam willingly gave it alllll over. Adam could have defeated the devil by trusting God. God doesn't cause man to sin. God gave Adam and Eve every opportunity not to sin.
You avoid a question and for very good reason.
People always avoid questions they do not want answers to.

I ask you to think .

Do God create sinful spirits (has God ever created anything that is not good?)

If you answer this to yourself you will know the rest.
 

mailmandan

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Any sin a Christian commits is not a sin unto death, except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
The "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is mentioned in Mark 3:22-30 and Matthew 12:22-32. This case of blasphemy is a specific one, called "the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 12:31. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees (who were not Christians), having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon "Beelzebub" (Matthew 12:24). Notice in Mark 3:30 that Jesus is very specific about what they did to commit "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit." These Pharisees were obviously not believers to commit such a sin.

That specific type of blasphemy against the Spirit cannot be duplicated today. No one can witness Jesus Christ on earth performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit God. The sin that is unpardonable is the state of continued unbelief.
 

Amberlight

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The "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is mentioned in Mark 3:22-30 and Matthew 12:22-32. This case of blasphemy is a specific one, called "the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 12:31. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees (who were not Christians), having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon "Beelzebub" (Matthew 12:24). Notice in Mark 3:30 that Jesus is very specific about what they did to commit "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit." These Pharisees were obviously not believers to commit such a sin.

That specific type of blasphemy against the Spirit cannot be duplicated today. No one can witness Jesus Christ on earth performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit God. The sin that is unpardonable is the state of continued unbelief.
Opinions vary.
 

miknik5

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The "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is mentioned in Mark 3:22-30 and Matthew 12:22-32. This case of blasphemy is a specific one, called "the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 12:31. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees (who were not Christians), having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon "Beelzebub" (Matthew 12:24). Notice in Mark 3:30 that Jesus is very specific about what they did to commit "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit." These Pharisees were obviously not believers to commit such a sin.

That specific type of blasphemy against the Spirit cannot be duplicated today. No one can witness Jesus Christ on earth performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit God. The sin that is unpardonable is the state of continued unbelief.
Yes they can and will Dan

many will do what is against HIS SPIRIT...
All the while, thinking themselves "in service to GOD"
 

miknik5

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Did not know mailmandan claimed to be God.
Did not know that the TRUTH Of GOD is based on man's opinions or is subject to change or relativity

there's only one truth and testimony to that truth

regardless of the debates and the arguments for or against TRUTH...TRUTH will remain THE TRUTH