Justice and mercy

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Where do these meet? I was very close to someone who ended up attempting to kill her husband whom I was very close to as well. While I (and he) understood the need for justice we pleaded for mercy. People like Hitler had someone somewhere who loved him. Would they not have pleaded for mercy for him knowing he deserved justice? Should we not wish the strictest punishment on someone we think deserves it but rather pray for mercy as if they were our own loved one? Is that not what salvation is? God showed us mercy and fulfilled justice with Jesus' death on the cross.
 
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Perspective is according to the individual. YOu show love where love is undeserved as did her husband. I'm sure this is pleasing to the Lord. It is also evidence of true forgiveness... often hard to come by. Bless your heart & her victim's heart and we need to always keep in mind that things are not always as they seem. Her reality could include mental illness that caused her to go in this direction. I'm proud of you for showing love when anger and hatred would be justified. Love to you & your friend as you go through this... did she in fact receive mercy?
 
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This was awhile ago. Believe me anger and hatred had their time too (sad to say). My preacher recently preached on mercy with a similar example and it really touched me. No, she did not receieve mercy. She received the strictest punishment the law would allow. However, since she has been in prison she has renewed her relationship with the Lord and been a great testimony of how God can change a person.
 
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Mulehide said:
This was awhile ago. Believe me anger and hatred had their time too (sad to say). My preacher recently preached on mercy with a similar example and it really touched me. No, she did not receieve mercy. She received the strictest punishment the law would allow. However, since she has been in prison she has renewed her relationship with the Lord and been a great testimony of how God can change a person.[/quote
Your words here are justice and mercy. She recieved punishment, yet in this God called her to Him in Jesus with open arms, that she may know him. :)
In Jesus, God bless.
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God gives mercy because He chooses to, to whom He chooses. We have received mercy from Him.

We give mercy in truth when we see the great need we had for God's mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

When we give mercy in our heart, from our heart, judgment is defeated in us.

I have a friend, a brother in Christ, who robbed a bank. He did many other things as well, but robbing that bank got him in trouble with man's justice system. With a sentence of 17 years, by plea bargin, his wife and children are missing their father.

Mercy in my heart for and towards him is manifested by my not holding him guilty, in my heart. I know that I am not one bit better than he is, and that I am no more deserving of God's love and mercy and forgiveness than he is. And I know this because of the mercy He has shown me.

In his love sister,
great to see you here,
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Vic did he also come to the Lord in prison?
 
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Mulehide said:
Where do these meet? I was very close to someone who ended up attempting to kill her husband whom I was very close to as well. While I (and he) understood the need for justice we pleaded for mercy. People like Hitler had someone somewhere who loved him. Would they not have pleaded for mercy for him knowing he deserved justice? Should we not wish the strictest punishment on someone we think deserves it but rather pray for mercy as if they were our own loved one? Is that not what salvation is? God showed us mercy and fulfilled justice with Jesus' death on the cross.
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I don’t think it makes sense to show mercy to a person who has not yet repented of his sin.

I don’t know why you wouldn’t show mercy to a person who has repented of his sin.
 
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Usually people don't just want to kill someone for no reasons. Whats going on?

Compassion and mercy. Love and help is what God is about.
 
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resurrection33 said:
I don’t think it makes sense to show mercy to a person who has not yet repented of his sin.

I don’t know why you wouldn’t show mercy to a person who has repented of his sin.
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The Lord helped me to feel forgiveness to my offendor... I agree with you, in the event that he is unrepentant there is no reason why he wouldnt continue to do what he did in the 70's. In that... in maintaining the safety of society, Mercy should not be given. Forgiveness, however, is mandatory regardless of repentance and with the Lords help I was able to end 25 years of bitterness. I have no clue if he's repented or not. I'm in touch with his ex wife but cant bring myself to ask what ever became of him, havent seen him in 33 years.
 
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Vic did he also come to the Lord in prison?
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Yes, he did rededicate himself in prison. I have not heard from him or his family in a few years now.

Blessings sister,
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resurrection33 said:
I don’t think it makes sense to show mercy to a person who has not yet repented of his sin.

I don’t know why you wouldn’t show mercy to a person who has repented of his sin.
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When Jesus was on the cross he cried, "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." They had not repented yet.
In my case, God showed mercy to me long before I turned away from my rebellion. The fact that man, with all the evil that he does, still exists is an example of mercy before repentance.
I do not believe that God's mercy is at odds with God's justice, in fact it is the judgement that God makes.
 
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yeah, i was going to say the same thing as the above replier. Jesus begged God for his tortuers forgiveness, while He was being tortured. and i know, Jesus is different from us, but He also told us to love one another as He loved us. Remember, Jesus didn't die for the perfect (ie: no one) he died for sinners, for you when you lied that time, even for hitler. So, yeah, it may not seem right to forgive, but love is above that, and so is God. hope that helps.
 
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When Jesus was on the cross he cried, "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." They had not repented yet.
In my case, God showed mercy to me long before I turned away from my rebellion. The fact that man, with all the evil that he does, still exists is an example of mercy before repentance.
I do not believe that God's mercy is at odds with God's justice, in fact it is the judgement that God makes.
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Spare the rod and spoil the child. Sometimes punishment is appropriate, I think.
 
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Spare the rod and spoil the child. Sometimes punishment is appropriate, I think.
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Absolutely. The rod of God is an instrument of mercy. He will sacrifice our comfort for our character.
I believe that people go to hell because they do not accept the judgement of God, that was placed on Jesus. They reject His judgement of mercy and what is left is hell.
 
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yeah, i was going to say the same thing as the above replier. Jesus begged God for his tortuers forgiveness, while He was being tortured. and i know, Jesus is different from us, but He also told us to love one another as He loved us. Remember, Jesus didn't die for the perfect (ie: no one) he died for sinners, for you when you lied that time, even for hitler. So, yeah, it may not seem right to forgive, but love is above that, and so is God. hope that helps.
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You equate forgiveness with mercy. Yet you can have forgiveness without mercy and mercy without forgiveness. God gave us both. His mercy prompted Him to provide a way of salvation and His forgiveness completed it.
 
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Absolutely. The rod of God is an instrument of mercy. He will sacrifice our comfort for our character.
I believe that people go to hell because they do not accept the judgement of God, that was placed on Jesus. They reject His judgement of mercy and what is left is hell.
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Interesting. I would have never considered the rod of God to be an instrument of mercy and yet it makes sense. The difference being how you view God's correction?
 
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Interesting. I would have never considered the rod of God to be an instrument of mercy and yet it makes sense. The difference being how you view God's correction?
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Discipline has two sides to it. Through the disciplines of prayer, entering into His presence (a transformative experience),the study of His word, fasting, following the particular disciplines specific to my calling, etc., He shapes my character in a positive way. Through correction by the word of God, by godly counsel, by circumstances in my life, by prayer (the listening side of it), etc., He shapes my character in a fiercer way.
 
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It is that fiercer way that is sometimes not accepted properly when God works in one's life.
 
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It is that fiercer way that is sometimes not accepted properly when God works in one's life.
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And when one is not accepting God's work in one's life, it is the fiercer way that is used more often. lol.
 
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Haha Yes...hit over the head with a two-by-four in order to be quiet/still enough to hear and heed God's still small voice.
 
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