Why Here in the BDF?

[Depleted]

You win---I'm out of here----Enjoy you God playing attitudes.

Repeat performance? Hey, I really don't mind you being on this very long thread about a movie coming out. I do, very much, mind that you fling assumptions and charges, and then don't have the backbone to hear out the other side.

If you're going to ask question, expect answers. If you're asking questions as veiled insults and charges, expect responses that won't line up with your mindset. And stop pretending you have the high road. Reality time!

 

[Depleted]

If God didn't "chosen" people, (And, I'm playing games with English, not making a snide remark to you), then explain:
Abel,
Noah,
Abraham,
Joseph,
Moses,
Joshua,
David,
Jonah,
Job,
Samson,
Gideon,
etc.

God chose all those guys! God has been in the choosing business since "Let there be light." He didn't suddenly start choosing when he came to Earth. He has always had himself a people.

There's even historical evidence he had himself a people in what would become Rome and what would become China before Moses! Possibly before Abraham.

Whoops! My bad.

Sorry 'bout that 1of. I misread what you said. I stuck an "n't" where it didN'T belong.
"God did have chosen people then"
became
"God didn't have chosen people then"

My stupidity. Sorry about that.

 

[Depleted]

I probably could do that, but it might take me all day...We'll start with Abel...He brought God the best he had (a better sacrifice) Cain just threw something together, I guess,

Seriously though, Cain wasn't giving God the best that he had and that was his choice...I don't think God had already predestined it...and then chose not to accept it...Just my thoughts though...

As for the other guys, like I said it would take all day to go through it...but my opinion is that they sought God with their whole hearts and God chose them to do a work for him...Just like he does today...we are not all given the same work to do. God chooses us all for specific works...We are all different and have unique qualities and God can use each of us for his purpose, but we have to be willing just like Noah, and all the rest, were willing to do what God told them to do.

Again that's just my thoughts on it, anyhow

Ah, don't worry about it. You were talking apples, and I was talking work boots. I wasn't even close enough to being on target for what you were talking about to make it an apples and oranges scenario, so you really didn't have to explain, and couldn't catch my completely foreign wavelength to get what I was saying to explain it.

I do admit I misread some things at times. But to get a didn't out of a did, was extremely ditsy on my part. So, sorry 'bout that again.

 

[1ofthem]

Whoops! My bad.

Sorry 'bout that 1of. I misread what you said. I stuck an "n't" where it didN'T belong.
"God did have chosen people then"
became
"God didn't have chosen people then"

My stupidity. Sorry about that.

Hey it's ok..It happens...I think I'm the typo queen and sometimes I just read things completely wrong on here..lol

So really no explanations needed. I completely understand

 

[Speak2Me]

I know that website well.

I would not use that website for understanding what happened between Calvin and Servetus....for that matter I would not use that website for much of anything.

Ok... what about this?

[video=youtube;86r48x_fiF0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86r48x_fiF0[/video]

 

[preacher4truth]

You win---I'm out of here----Enjoy you God playing attitudes.

Oh, and welcome back.

 

[preacher4truth]

Ok... what about this?

[video=youtube;86r48x_fiF0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86r48x_fiF0[/video]

Hard to tell which is more lame, the site or the video.

 

[1ofthem]

Ah, don't worry about it. You were talking apples, and I was talking work boots. I wasn't even close enough to being on target for what you were talking about to make it an apples and oranges scenario, so you really didn't have to explain, and couldn't catch my completely foreign wavelength to get what I was saying to explain it.

I do admit I misread some things at times. But to get a didn't out of a did, was extremely ditsy on my part. So, sorry 'bout that again.

LOL, I've been there and done that too, so don't worry about it...and it's kind of funny how I really didn't even understand where you were coming from and still replied with a long winded post about it...hahaha


So really, It's all good.. LOL.

 

[notuptome]

and will add....the last statement reeks of ignorance....the whole world does not know about Christ and or what was accomplished by him on the cross....I have personally met people who had no clue of who Jesus was and or what he has done!

One person hearing of the Children of Israel does not equal the word being preached or them having a chance to repent and acknowledge the LORD....quit grasping at straws and acknowledge the truth of my original statement......it behooves you to once in a while to humble yourself and admit the truth posted by one other than yourself!

Normally you are pretty reasonable guy but I'm only telling you what God has said.

Romans 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

If the proclamation of the gospel depended upon men then almost none would ever hear and be saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Speak2Me]

Hard to tell which is more lame, the site or the video.

Well, I've come to expect responses like this from someone of your reputation.

 

[preacher4truth]

Well, I've come to expect responses like this from someone of your reputation.

Thanks for the personal insult and while I'm at it, welcome back.

It is always of interest how you all make your way back after your "exit" and start up right where you left off. Always telltale.

 

[phil36]

Ok... what about this?

[video=youtube;86r48x_fiF0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86r48x_fiF0[/video]

The law in Europe in those days dictated that heresy was punishable by death. Servitutis had fled from France due to being a heretic. We need to take of our 2017 glasses and view society and how it was then. Was it right for the law to prescribe this punishment by death for heresy? Well in their day it was. In our day its not. Many country's around the world still have the death penalty for crimes (rightly or wrongly), and that was the law in Europe at that time.

This is an old chestnut fired at Calvinists, it usually comes from ignorance of the facts. Especially from those who deny the Trinity..as servitus did.

 

[preacher4truth]

Interestingly those most disturbed over Servetus suffer from severe doctrinal errors themselves. Seems they're saying in essence "Hey, that could've been me!!!!!"

 

[Snoozy]

i dont care much for calvin or church fathers. actually i roll my eyes reading some of the writings they have, its weird stuff.
but what calvin did or didnt do doesnt really matter but what does the bible teach?

here is one example of a weird quote:

We have been taught that Christ is the first-begotten of God, and we have declared him to be the Logos of which all mankind partakes. Those, therefore, who lived according to reason (logos) were really Christians, even though they were thought to be atheists, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates, Heraclitus and others like them. - Justin Martyr azquotes.com

 

[Nehemiah6]

This is an old chestnut fired at Calvinists, it usually comes from ignorance of the facts. Especially from those who deny the Trinity..as servitus did.

Whatever the "facts" may be (and as you know history is not necessarily all facts) the fact of the matter is that Christians are NOT authorized by Christ to persecute, maim, or murder other Christians, no matter how their beliefs may vary from Bible truth. The Reformers violated this fundamental truth and persecuted and killed genuine Christians, and have no excuse, since they were promoting the authority of Scripture.

 

[Amberlight]

Whatever the "facts" may be (and as you know history is not necessarily all facts) the fact of the matter is that Christians are NOT authorized by Christ to persecute, maim, or murder other Christians, no matter how their beliefs may vary from Bible truth. The Reformers violated this fundamental truth and persecuted and killed genuine Christians, and have no excuse, since they were promoting the authority of Scripture.

Actually we are not to murder anyone believer or non believer.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Actually we are not to murder anyone believer or non believer.

Correct. And we can take that a step further. If we hate anyone (including a brother or sister) God sees that as murder.

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Mt 5:22).

 

[crossnote]

Because Calvinist Movie will probably end up being discussed like a BDF topic. It will make a few a little angry because their fragile theology will be challenged and refuted, even if only via the trailers:


For the record, I've yet to watch the movie, but have ordered it, and, LORD willing it should arrive this weekend and we will be able to see it.

Ok, this did not strike me so much as Calvinism but rather a Gospel centered approach to theology. I was a bit disturbed by the trailer's use of a strawmen, like Osteen and Kenneth Copeland, lol nothing like a good misrepresentation of Evangelicals.
Oh well, it looks like another attempted case of Calvinist's proselytizing Evangelicals rather than the lost.

 

[phil36]

Whatever the "facts" may be (and as you know history is not necessarily all facts) the fact of the matter is that Christians are NOT authorized by Christ to persecute, maim, or murder other Christians, no matter how their beliefs may vary from Bible truth. The Reformers violated this fundamental truth and persecuted and killed genuine Christians, and have no excuse, since they were promoting the authority of Scripture.

However, it was the law of the land.. and many countries still practice execution for breaking the law. Thats fact! Are they also not authorised to do so. Take the US for example? Are not many of the Judges Christian? You have totally missed my point regarding the law of Europe at that time.

Just as a side note, denying the Trinity is not Christian, its not varying from biblical truth. It denies it.

You seem to think that we have this notion that we believe these men to be infallible and perfect, but in reality as we reformed know all too well they are sinners saved by grace just like 'YOU' and 'I'. Don't think for one moment your are more pure than they, thats a very bad mistake to make.

 

[oldethennew]

phil36,

from reading many of Nehemiah's posts, we, hub and myself have
found him to be quite humble at times...

yes, there is always 'the law of the land', but then,
there is always, 'God's Law First', for the true, called, Christian...