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well I do have a comment, but I don't wish to draw the scorn and the piling on as several of you did to PJW.
He does conclude from scriptures that man can indeed repent and bring works worthy of repentance. He does indeed believe that with the "Helper" given to those who obey God, as Peter preached, it is possible to live in obedience to God.
It is written that Abraham did.
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
We know Abraham sinned, we also know he repented and, as Jesus instructed, "Went and sinned no more".
Would you guys pile on the Author of Genesis, ridicule and insult him for these statements?
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
We know these also sinned, because all have sinned, but we also know they repented and brought forth "Works" worthy of repentance.
Would you insult and ridicule Luke for making this statement about these two believers?
Matt. 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Will you guys ridicule and insult Jesus for making this statement and command which directly contradicts your preaching?
2 Tim. 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
1 Cor. 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Will you insult Paul for claiming himself righteous and ready for the Kingdom?
So personally I have never seen PJW transgress God's Commandments. He seems to be teaching the same things as Jesus did.
I know God will write HIS Laws on our heart. But of course, our heart is nothing but a lump of meat. So we should know He means our mind. He will write His Laws on our mind. But we also have sin (Transgression of God's Laws) in our mind.
Anyone who says they have no sin in their mind is a liar as it is written. But we are told to reign over sin, Yes?
Rom. 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Will you guys insult and relegate Paul as a liar for making such a suggestion?
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, (Dead in your sins) but under grace. (Alive to serve God in HIS Righteousness)
So I have no reason to judge PJW as a liar or false teacher for simply believing what your Bible and mine teaches.
Does He create images of God after the likeness of some men's hair shampoo model, a direct rebellion to God's First and greatest Commandment? I have no evidence that he or Paul does, but there are "Many" that come in His Name that do.
Does PJW create his own Sabbath, while rejecting God's 4th Commandment outright? I have no evidence that He or Paul does, but "there are "Many" who preach in His name that do.
Does PJW create his own High Days and "Feasts unto the Lord", while rejecting God's Holy Days? I have no evidence that he or Paul does, but there are "MANY" who come in Christ's Name that do.
Rom. 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
It is apparent to me that Paul serves the Law of Righteousness, also known as the Laws of God, while letting his OLD MAN, also known as his flesh, be crucified with Christ. So his sinful self is dead, which is the law of sin. But his new self is renewed in his mind.
Eph. 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Rom.6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Do you guys not believe this?
2 Cor.5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
How do you know PJW wasn't sent to expose your "Transgression of God's Commandments by your own doctrines and traditions?
I don't know that PJW hasn't achieved the goal of refusing to let "SIN" reign in his mortal body.
What evidence do any of you have that he hasn't?
He does conclude from scriptures that man can indeed repent and bring works worthy of repentance. He does indeed believe that with the "Helper" given to those who obey God, as Peter preached, it is possible to live in obedience to God.
It is written that Abraham did.
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
We know Abraham sinned, we also know he repented and, as Jesus instructed, "Went and sinned no more".
Would you guys pile on the Author of Genesis, ridicule and insult him for these statements?
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
We know these also sinned, because all have sinned, but we also know they repented and brought forth "Works" worthy of repentance.
Would you insult and ridicule Luke for making this statement about these two believers?
Matt. 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Will you guys ridicule and insult Jesus for making this statement and command which directly contradicts your preaching?
2 Tim. 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
1 Cor. 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Will you insult Paul for claiming himself righteous and ready for the Kingdom?
So personally I have never seen PJW transgress God's Commandments. He seems to be teaching the same things as Jesus did.
I know God will write HIS Laws on our heart. But of course, our heart is nothing but a lump of meat. So we should know He means our mind. He will write His Laws on our mind. But we also have sin (Transgression of God's Laws) in our mind.
Anyone who says they have no sin in their mind is a liar as it is written. But we are told to reign over sin, Yes?
Rom. 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Will you guys insult and relegate Paul as a liar for making such a suggestion?
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, (Dead in your sins) but under grace. (Alive to serve God in HIS Righteousness)
So I have no reason to judge PJW as a liar or false teacher for simply believing what your Bible and mine teaches.
Does He create images of God after the likeness of some men's hair shampoo model, a direct rebellion to God's First and greatest Commandment? I have no evidence that he or Paul does, but there are "Many" that come in His Name that do.
Does PJW create his own Sabbath, while rejecting God's 4th Commandment outright? I have no evidence that He or Paul does, but "there are "Many" who preach in His name that do.
Does PJW create his own High Days and "Feasts unto the Lord", while rejecting God's Holy Days? I have no evidence that he or Paul does, but there are "MANY" who come in Christ's Name that do.
Rom. 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
It is apparent to me that Paul serves the Law of Righteousness, also known as the Laws of God, while letting his OLD MAN, also known as his flesh, be crucified with Christ. So his sinful self is dead, which is the law of sin. But his new self is renewed in his mind.
Eph. 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Rom.6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Do you guys not believe this?
2 Cor.5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
How do you know PJW wasn't sent to expose your "Transgression of God's Commandments by your own doctrines and traditions?
I don't know that PJW hasn't achieved the goal of refusing to let "SIN" reign in his mortal body.
What evidence do any of you have that he hasn't?
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I feel that you are trying to intimidate me to stop posting or change what I'm saying to suit your doctrine. If that's not so, then why are you attacking me?
I can see this is really bothering you, but I am allowed to post what I want. You don't have to receive it. If it's bothering your conscience just take it to the Lord. He's your dad. He'll help you.
At the very least, just let me say what I want to. Just as you are entitled to say what you want to. That's what this forum is for.
I can see this is really bothering you, but I am allowed to post what I want. You don't have to receive it. If it's bothering your conscience just take it to the Lord. He's your dad. He'll help you.
At the very least, just let me say what I want to. Just as you are entitled to say what you want to. That's what this forum is for.
My position is clear...has been the same from day one on this site...
A. The spirit is born of INCORRUPTABLE SEED by the SPIRIT OF GOD and does NOT SIN <---why we are eternally secure
B. The spirit is housed in a dead body of sin not subject unto the law of GOD and unless TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the mind will fall short every time and sin <---why we are chastised as children when we fail to walk worthy
C. The battle ground is the MIND <---Jesus said the SPIRIT is WILLING but the FLESH IS WEAK
The CORINTHAN reference is applicable unto the BODY and the DAY it is raised incorruptible, celestial, in power
ALL sin except JESUS...some more than others!
A. The spirit is born of INCORRUPTABLE SEED by the SPIRIT OF GOD and does NOT SIN <---why we are eternally secure
B. The spirit is housed in a dead body of sin not subject unto the law of GOD and unless TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the mind will fall short every time and sin <---why we are chastised as children when we fail to walk worthy
C. The battle ground is the MIND <---Jesus said the SPIRIT is WILLING but the FLESH IS WEAK
The CORINTHAN reference is applicable unto the BODY and the DAY it is raised incorruptible, celestial, in power
ALL sin except JESUS...some more than others!
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Okay, so you're not trying to intimidate me to leave or start posting what you want to hear. So let's leave it at that. I'll continue to post, and you will continue to post. Can you do that without attacking me?
What's going on inside of you that you have to attack me? If you think I'm a false teacher remember that Jesus said leave us alone because we can only lead the blind astray. So why get your undies in a bunch, right?
What's going on inside of you that you have to attack me? If you think I'm a false teacher remember that Jesus said leave us alone because we can only lead the blind astray. So why get your undies in a bunch, right?
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Hi...I have been walking with our LORD 2 years on October 25th, this is where I am at now in my reading, seeking Him so much, wanting to learn His ways, to walk behind Him and follow Him 
...Now I know who I am in Christ, I want Him to teach me how I must walk, He has changed my life so much, I am learning about being obedient, I have so much to learn, but the LORD is directing my paths at His pace, I thank Him greatly that He is patient with me...Sometimes when I read post on here, I feel I know nothing, I have so much to be taught, I just want you to know that I have learned alot from what you post, I do not understand alot of it, but your post have helped me so thank you...xox...
...Now I know who I am in Christ, I want Him to teach me how I must walk, He has changed my life so much, I am learning about being obedient, I have so much to learn, but the LORD is directing my paths at His pace, I thank Him greatly that He is patient with me...Sometimes when I read post on here, I feel I know nothing, I have so much to be taught, I just want you to know that I have learned alot from what you post, I do not understand alot of it, but your post have helped me so thank you...xox...Please understand that I am not trying to be argumentative, rather, straight to the point. I truly believe in the Word of God which includes all the talk about deception. I would love a dialogue regarding the teaching of the Bible and not so much just the defense of men's church tradition and doctrines.
While I believe God allowed us all to exercise our fleshy rebellion against Him to bring us all to Christ, I don't believe this is the same a creating a Path impossible for us to follow, as it seem you and many others preach.
I hope you can understand, given the scriptures, why I feel this way. But these same scriptures are the reason I avoid all Mainstream Churches. So it may be improbable for us to have a dialogue.
It's OK to disagree, and I always welcome your input. It is good for men to have such discussions.
thanks for your patience with me.
While I believe God allowed us all to exercise our fleshy rebellion against Him to bring us all to Christ, I don't believe this is the same a creating a Path impossible for us to follow, as it seem you and many others preach.
I hope you can understand, given the scriptures, why I feel this way. But these same scriptures are the reason I avoid all Mainstream Churches. So it may be improbable for us to have a dialogue.
It's OK to disagree, and I always welcome your input. It is good for men to have such discussions.
thanks for your patience with me.
One contradiction after another with you....you constantly say WE must do this or that while openly saying we can unseal what God has done, keep Jesus from finishing what he has started, that Jesus cannot finish what he started because we have more power and can walk away, that Jesus denies himself when our faith falters etc.....and not to mention the embellishments such as...we promote a lifestyle of sin because we believe in eternal security and God's grace out bounding our sin when we fail and sin..........
I gave you my honest, where I stand answer....read it slowly....
A. The spirit is born of INCORRUPTABLE SEED by the SPIRIT OF GOD and does NOT SIN <---why we are eternally secure
B. The spirit is housed in a dead body of sin not subject unto the law of GOD and unless TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the mind will fall short every time and sin <---why we are chastised as children when we fail to walk worthy
C. The battle ground is the MIND <---Jesus said the SPIRIT is WILLING but the FLESH IS WEAK
The CORINTHAN reference is applicable unto the BODY and the DAY it is raised incorruptible, celestial, in power
ALL sin except JESUS...some more than others!
A. The spirit is born of INCORRUPTABLE SEED by the SPIRIT OF GOD and does NOT SIN <---why we are eternally secure
B. The spirit is housed in a dead body of sin not subject unto the law of GOD and unless TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the mind will fall short every time and sin <---why we are chastised as children when we fail to walk worthy
C. The battle ground is the MIND <---Jesus said the SPIRIT is WILLING but the FLESH IS WEAK
The CORINTHAN reference is applicable unto the BODY and the DAY it is raised incorruptible, celestial, in power
ALL sin except JESUS...some more than others!
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 16:24-27, “Then [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to His taught ones, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his stake, and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake shall find it. For what is a man profited if he gains all the world, and loses his own life? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his life? For the Son of Aḏam is going to come in the esteem of His Father with His messengers, and then He shall reward each according to his works.” [/FONT]
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No, he leaves you when you leave Him, not when you struggle with leaving Him. And even then I think he gives lots of space to you to reconsider before He turns you over to your decision to no longer believe and trust in Jesus.
Any doctrine that says you are saved no matter what (OSAS) is saying that grace is a license to sin. Think about it.
And as far as "grace out bounding ours sin when we fail", of course it does. But the one place it will not go is with you back into unbelief. That is the unforgivable sin, the sin of unbelief in the face of irrefutable truth. Grace is not a license to be in outright unbelief when you know better.
Any doctrine that says you are saved no matter what (OSAS) is saying that grace is a license to sin. Think about it.
And as far as "grace out bounding ours sin when we fail", of course it does. But the one place it will not go is with you back into unbelief. That is the unforgivable sin, the sin of unbelief in the face of irrefutable truth. Grace is not a license to be in outright unbelief when you know better.