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Thank you, TruthTalk , that is an interesting read 
I found this earlier on sinless perfectionism: The Heresy of Perfectionism
I found this earlier on sinless perfectionism: The Heresy of Perfectionism
Ephesians 4
9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, andcunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
my belief is we are to edify in love... the perfecting of the saints.. may we grow up in to be like Christ.. our example of Perfect and Good.. set our heart to obey.. to love.... to walk in the Light.. follow behind Him by the Grace of GOD.
9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, andcunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
my belief is we are to edify in love... the perfecting of the saints.. may we grow up in to be like Christ.. our example of Perfect and Good.. set our heart to obey.. to love.... to walk in the Light.. follow behind Him by the Grace of GOD.
[video=youtube;DXDGE_lRI0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDGE_lRI0E[/video]
10,000 Reasons (Bless the Lord)
This song makes clear that it is the LORD's name we
uphold, not our own He is the lover of our soul(s).
We love because He first loved us. We are redeemed
through faith in His great sacrifice on our behalf.
It is a gift that no man may boast of their works.
Still the boasters come and are defended.
May God open their eyes.
10,000 Reasons (Bless the Lord)
This song makes clear that it is the LORD's name we
uphold, not our own
He is the lover of our soul(s).We love because He first loved us. We are redeemed
through faith in His great sacrifice on our behalf.
It is a gift that no man may boast of their works.
Still the boasters come and are defended.
May God open their eyes.
Matthew 7
[FONT="][FONT="]Judge not, that ye be not judged.[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT="]22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[/FONT]
[FONT="]23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.[/FONT]
[FONT="]24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.[/FONT]
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Little more insight as to what the Lord was Teaching us and if a man proclaims he has good fruit from the Lord then judge him not.. but Let us Believe and through Faith keep allowing our Gracious GOD to build us up on the Good Foundation as above...
Even believers are warned to Repent by the Lord.. told to do more or return to etc.. and to do more is to believe more.. and GOD will give increase for us to grow..
[FONT="][FONT="]Judge not, that ye be not judged.[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT="]22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[/FONT]
[FONT="]23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.[/FONT]
[FONT="]24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.[/FONT]
[/FONT]
Little more insight as to what the Lord was Teaching us and if a man proclaims he has good fruit from the Lord then judge him not.. but Let us Believe and through Faith keep allowing our Gracious GOD to build us up on the Good Foundation as above...
Even believers are warned to Repent by the Lord.. told to do more or return to etc.. and to do more is to believe more.. and GOD will give increase for us to grow..
Personal agenda or profit......man your off the rails.........and I will say it one more time....receive it or not and feel free to never address me again if you cannot understand the facts that are laid out...
a. Jesus was born, lived and died under the LAW which RATIFIED the NEW Covenant and EVERYTHING he said needs to be understood in that LIGHT and the fact that a TRANSITION was taking place from the OLD to the NEW.
b. I have answered NUMEROUS times....THE SPIRIT is BORN again of INCORRUPTABLE SEED ETERNALLY in CHRIST, saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in CHRIST....SAID spirit is STILL BOUND IN A SINFUL, DEAD BODY OF SIN that is not subject unto the law or word of GOD and neither indeed CAN BE....the BATTLE GROUND IS THE MIND where decisions are made....IF TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the MIND a SAVED man will submit MORE and MORE to the truth and SIN LESS, but will NEVER BE COMPLETELY SINLESS until they have a NEW BODY in the resurrection and or change.
c. THERE is not a JUST MAN UPON THE EARTH that does GOOD and SINS NOT!
a. Jesus was born, lived and died under the LAW which RATIFIED the NEW Covenant and EVERYTHING he said needs to be understood in that LIGHT and the fact that a TRANSITION was taking place from the OLD to the NEW.
b. I have answered NUMEROUS times....THE SPIRIT is BORN again of INCORRUPTABLE SEED ETERNALLY in CHRIST, saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in CHRIST....SAID spirit is STILL BOUND IN A SINFUL, DEAD BODY OF SIN that is not subject unto the law or word of GOD and neither indeed CAN BE....the BATTLE GROUND IS THE MIND where decisions are made....IF TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the MIND a SAVED man will submit MORE and MORE to the truth and SIN LESS, but will NEVER BE COMPLETELY SINLESS until they have a NEW BODY in the resurrection and or change.
c. THERE is not a JUST MAN UPON THE EARTH that does GOOD and SINS NOT!