theistic evolution - don't try this at home
- Thread starter WIJeff
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Adam is real, and the genealogy is accurate.
Even some literal events are symbolic, yes?
Noah and the flood, Jesus is our ark, of the covenant?
That is why it takes some thought and study in the whole Bible.
I mean living water is the Holy Spirit, right?
Moses brought water from the rock at God's command.
The rock shows Jesus and the waters of the Holy Spirit, yes?
Even some literal events are symbolic, yes?
Noah and the flood, Jesus is our ark, of the covenant?
That is why it takes some thought and study in the whole Bible.
I mean living water is the Holy Spirit, right?
Moses brought water from the rock at God's command.
The rock shows Jesus and the waters of the Holy Spirit, yes?
Trofimus,
This is off the topic, but by "charismatic" were you saying you were zealous and energetic in your beliefs, or are you meaning "charismatic" in the way the Catholic church uses it to describe the use of spiritual gifts and speaking in tongues? And sorry for asking this here. If there's a way to message one person directly, I'm not yet aware of it. If there is, and you'd prefer using that method to keep that discussion out of this thread, please feel free to contact me that way.
Thanks,
Kelby
This is off the topic, but by "charismatic" were you saying you were zealous and energetic in your beliefs, or are you meaning "charismatic" in the way the Catholic church uses it to describe the use of spiritual gifts and speaking in tongues? And sorry for asking this here. If there's a way to message one person directly, I'm not yet aware of it. If there is, and you'd prefer using that method to keep that discussion out of this thread, please feel free to contact me that way.
Thanks,
Kelby
Enow,
I agree that you are quite correct in the bold part. (Please don't get distracted that I didn't include the non-bold parts. I'll address each of them shortly.)
I would propose the following conclusion based on your statement: (please forgive how simplistic it sounds)
Enow believes that evolution theory is impossible, because he believes that death was not in the world before sin.
Is that correct?
I agree that you are quite correct in the bold part. (Please don't get distracted that I didn't include the non-bold parts. I'll address each of them shortly.)
I would propose the following conclusion based on your statement: (please forgive how simplistic it sounds)
Enow believes that evolution theory is impossible, because he believes that death was not in the world before sin.
Is that correct?
Probably depends when.
If you read his diary (not sure if this is the right term) you know what he believed. But according to some web pages his faith was going slowly down and he ended as agnostic (source: wiki).
But his theory of evolution (which is probably what matters to our discussion) was from the era of his quite profound Christian belief, not from unbelief of his old age much later.
If you read his diary (not sure if this is the right term) you know what he believed. But according to some web pages his faith was going slowly down and he ended as agnostic (source: wiki).
But his theory of evolution (which is probably what matters to our discussion) was from the era of his quite profound Christian belief, not from unbelief of his old age much later.
Last edited:
evolution is of the devil. no ifs and buts about it. i guarantee u its of the devil.
genesis disproves evolution.
observable reality disproves evolution.
common sense disproves evolution. its just that its not that common anymore.
how can there be death before adam sinned? its not possible. man is not an animal. no wonder folks are acting like animals if they are taught it by the science falsely so called professors. how sad that there is even debate about this
check out dr kent hovind's creation seminars they are great.
genesis disproves evolution.
observable reality disproves evolution.
common sense disproves evolution. its just that its not that common anymore.
how can there be death before adam sinned? its not possible. man is not an animal. no wonder folks are acting like animals if they are taught it by the science falsely so called professors. how sad that there is even debate about this
check out dr kent hovind's creation seminars they are great.
Last edited:
yeah my bad i should of just said something intelligent. "evolution does not match up with current scientific data" or something. i dont wanna fake and lie that i care one bit what those atheist scientists got to say.
all u gotta do is listen to them talk and almost unanimously they deny the Lord Jesus Christ which makes their scientific opinions biased. they wont admit theres God. thats why they keep running with the evolution theory.
have u or have u not seen kent hovind's creation seminars? he has a good video called "300 reasons why evolution is stupid" its good. if u believe what the bible says i guarantee u wont believe in evolution after watching that seminar
they play it at some churches around here and there too.
all u gotta do is listen to them talk and almost unanimously they deny the Lord Jesus Christ which makes their scientific opinions biased. they wont admit theres God. thats why they keep running with the evolution theory.
have u or have u not seen kent hovind's creation seminars? he has a good video called "300 reasons why evolution is stupid" its good. if u believe what the bible says i guarantee u wont believe in evolution after watching that seminar
they play it at some churches around here and there too.
Well, that is not the only reason that the evolution theory is a false science, but that is one of the reasons, yes.
1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
That is why even creation and all living things are awaiting the manifestations of the sons of God when we come into our inheritance.
Romans 8:[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,[SUP] 21 [/SUP]Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
That is why even creation and all living things are awaiting the manifestations of the sons of God when we come into our inheritance.
Romans 8:[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,[SUP] 21 [/SUP]Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Then there is no macroevolution involved in the creation of Adam.
Name one.
If you are meaning that as an example; that is the opposite of what you are saying. Symbol of Jesus being the ark is in reference to an literal event.
If you can cite a literal event that was also a symbol as if it was not a literal event, be my guest, but using a literal event as a symbol or a metaphor about Jesus, does not mean it was not a literal event.
You have to keep the line of a literal event as a real event when it is being used as a symbol or a metaphor or an analogy towards something else or Someone Else. Otherwise, water becomes a fairy tale too, by your application.
Name one.
If you are meaning that as an example; that is the opposite of what you are saying. Symbol of Jesus being the ark is in reference to an literal event.
If you can cite a literal event that was also a symbol as if it was not a literal event, be my guest, but using a literal event as a symbol or a metaphor about Jesus, does not mean it was not a literal event.
You have to keep the line of a literal event as a real event when it is being used as a symbol or a metaphor or an analogy towards something else or Someone Else. Otherwise, water becomes a fairy tale too, by your application.
It is hard to take you seriously when His words reproves the evolution theory.
Noah's flood was a local flood?
Genesis 7:[SUP]17[/SUP]And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.[SUP]21 [/SUP]And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
No way can it ever be a local flood when His words testify that it covered 15 cubic feet above the mountains.
You really need to study His words with Him more than allow man to teach you how the world began when they cannot even agree by the method in that false science, the evolution theory; is it gradual macroevolution or punctuated macroevolution also known as "rapid macroevolution"? It cannot be both when the latter was postulated because gradual macroevolution cannot be true.
Noah's flood was a local flood?
Genesis 7:[SUP]17[/SUP]And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.[SUP]21 [/SUP]And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
No way can it ever be a local flood when His words testify that it covered 15 cubic feet above the mountains.
You really need to study His words with Him more than allow man to teach you how the world began when they cannot even agree by the method in that false science, the evolution theory; is it gradual macroevolution or punctuated macroevolution also known as "rapid macroevolution"? It cannot be both when the latter was postulated because gradual macroevolution cannot be true.
Makes you wonder how the author could know of such things.
2 Peter 1:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Maybe you should think of scripture as the Lord giving you facts for why you should not believe in the evolution theory.
2 Peter 1:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Maybe you should think of scripture as the Lord giving you facts for why you should not believe in the evolution theory.