You're just limiting God. This group will be just who scripture says they are, 144,000, twelve thousand from each tribe listed. If God was able to reserve for himself 7,000 who did not bend the knee to Baal, then why would you think that it is impossible for the Lord to reserve 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel? They may not know who they are, but God sure does and He's going to be sealing them during the first have of the seven year period. These will be those out of Israel who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah.
The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?
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You're just limiting God. This group will be just who scripture says they are, 144,000, twelve thousand from each tribe listed. If God was able to reserve for himself 7,000 who did not bend the knee to Baal, then why would you think that it is impossible for the Lord to reserve 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel? They may not know who they are, but God sure does and He's going to be sealing them during the first have of the seven year period. These will be those out of Israel who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah.
[/QUOTE] ]literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome. [/QUOTE]
Good Morning all
Don't have much time. So i can' t take time to ask you questions that you won't think about any way. So i will risk making people angry. Here it goes
A Jew Is simply Some one from the tribe of Judah. Who are not really in Israel. Not all of them any way. They are the line of Kings. But there are still 11 more tribes. 12 If you count the Levites, But then again there inheritance is Christ him self. There will be 12,000 from each tribe that will be delivered up to Death. ( Look that one up. It not what you think ). And the Seal of God in there forehead is they are not deceived by the deception of the end times. Which is in part done by the rapture theory. Gods elect don't fall for it.
Rapture Theory
As i understand it. The Lord will return and rapture church out. Then Anti - christ comes and deceives world. Then True Christ returns. And there are many different theory on the in between things. The church you go to will direct those thoughts.
Problem with Rapture Theory is we are still in the flesh when God returns. It starts in 1 Corinthians 15:12 thru end of chapter. that when the God returns at the last trump ( Seventh Seal ) It will be the start of the Lord day of wrath. Also known as the kingdom of God and The millennium. We are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Both believer and non believer into our new bodies, Why? Because flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. Flesh can not go into the millennium\The Lord day\Kingdom of God. Because it is corruptible and we have to put on incorruptible. Because Christ\God can't coexist with sin. And when a Baby Christian grows up and start eating the meat of Gods word. They find that God comes with the whole host of the angels because they are with him ( Not just not just believers but non believers also But after Lucifer ( the anti -chrst ) has ben locked up we have a 1000 Years of training. So that everyone has chance after they know the truth. There are those who still won't choose Christ. And those who didn't choose God in the age before
Well i have ran out of time. I will get off here now and wait for the back lash.
Remember i am not afraid of what you guy can do to me. But i am afraid of what God can do to me.
Always remember this. The angles have many names. Angel\Souls\Life force\Energy\Spirit\ and Many more. It depends on what religion you are, as to what you call them. And only God can destroy the soul.
Can i get an Amen
Yep to my knowledge Jews is one of the 12 tribe, the rest of remaining we do not know where are there.
So I believe 144000 is symbolic
according to this article, now there are 350000 Christian Jew alone, not to mention from other tribe.
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Messianic Judaism is a branch of Judaism that is trying to act as a link between Judaism and Christianity. Those who follow this form of Judaism are referred to as Messianic Jews. So how many of them are there? Let’s find out.
Today, there are over 1,000 Hebrew-Christian missionary groups that spend over $300 million annually, targeting Jewish people for conversion. In recent years, these missionary groups have succeeded in converting 350,000 Jews worldwide.
So I believe 144000 is symbolic
according to this article, now there are 350000 Christian Jew alone, not to mention from other tribe.
Home > Articles > How many messianic Jews are there?
[h=1]How many messianic Jews are there?[/h]
Messianic Judaism is a branch of Judaism that is trying to act as a link between Judaism and Christianity. Those who follow this form of Judaism are referred to as Messianic Jews. So how many of them are there? Let’s find out.
Today, there are over 1,000 Hebrew-Christian missionary groups that spend over $300 million annually, targeting Jewish people for conversion. In recent years, these missionary groups have succeeded in converting 350,000 Jews worldwide.
Please consider this,
The 144000 are called the first fruits.
They would be the first fruits of the resurrection. They were resurrected with Jesus.
(There is another group called the first fruits of the kingdom, they accepted Jesus on Pentecost, they are not the 144000)
These souls are with Jesus, seen there by John when the Rev was given. 60 ad-96 ad, about.
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The 144000 may be the actual number of souls, but the number itself is symbolic of perfection, or complete.
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The 144000 are called the first fruits.
They would be the first fruits of the resurrection. They were resurrected with Jesus.
(There is another group called the first fruits of the kingdom, they accepted Jesus on Pentecost, they are not the 144000)
These souls are with Jesus, seen there by John when the Rev was given. 60 ad-96 ad, about.
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The 144000 may be the actual number of souls, but the number itself is symbolic of perfection, or complete.
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]literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome. [/QUOTE]
Good Morning all
Don't have much time. So i can' t take time to ask you questions that you won't think about any way. So i will risk making people angry. Here it goes
A Jew Is simply Some one from the tribe of Judah. Who are not really in Israel. Not all of them any way. They are the line of Kings. But there are still 11 more tribes. 12 If you count the Levites, But then again there inheritance is Christ him self. There will be 12,000 from each tribe that will be delivered up to Death. ( Look that one up. It not what you think ). And the Seal of God in there forehead is they are not deceived by the deception of the end times. Which is in part done by the rapture theory. Gods elect don't fall for it.
Rapture Theory
As i understand it. The Lord will return and rapture church out. Then Anti - christ comes and deceives world. Then True Christ returns. And there are many different theory on the in between things. The church you go to will direct those thoughts.
Problem with Rapture Theory is we are still in the flesh when God returns. It starts in 1 Corinthians 15:12 thru end of chapter. that when the God returns at the last trump ( Seventh Seal ) It will be the start of the Lord day of wrath. Also known as the kingdom of God and The millennium. We are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Both believer and non believer into our new bodies, Why? Because flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. Flesh can not go into the millennium\The Lord day\Kingdom of God. Because it is corruptible and we have to put on incorruptible. Because Christ\God can't coexist with sin. And when a Baby Christian grows up and start eating the meat of Gods word. They find that God comes with the whole host of the angels because they are with him ( Not just not just believers but non believers also But after Lucifer ( the anti -chrst ) has ben locked up we have a 1000 Years of training. So that everyone has chance after they know the truth. There are those who still won't choose Christ. And those who didn't choose God in the age before
Well i have ran out of time. I will get off here now and wait for the back lash.
Remember i am not afraid of what you guy can do to me. But i am afraid of what God can do to me.
Always remember this. The angles have many names. Angel\Souls\Life force\Energy\Spirit\ and Many more. It depends on what religion you are, as to what you call them. And only God can destroy the soul.
Can i get an Amen[/QUOTE]
After the 7th seal there is silence, I don't see where any trumpet blows.
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome. [/QUOTE]
Good Morning all
Don't have much time. So i can' t take time to ask you questions that you won't think about any way. So i will risk making people angry. Here it goes
A Jew Is simply Some one from the tribe of Judah. Who are not really in Israel. Not all of them any way. They are the line of Kings. But there are still 11 more tribes. 12 If you count the Levites, But then again there inheritance is Christ him self. There will be 12,000 from each tribe that will be delivered up to Death. ( Look that one up. It not what you think ). And the Seal of God in there forehead is they are not deceived by the deception of the end times. Which is in part done by the rapture theory. Gods elect don't fall for it.
Rapture Theory
As i understand it. The Lord will return and rapture church out. Then Anti - christ comes and deceives world. Then True Christ returns. And there are many different theory on the in between things. The church you go to will direct those thoughts.
Problem with Rapture Theory is we are still in the flesh when God returns. It starts in 1 Corinthians 15:12 thru end of chapter. that when the God returns at the last trump ( Seventh Seal ) It will be the start of the Lord day of wrath. Also known as the kingdom of God and The millennium. We are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Both believer and non believer into our new bodies, Why? Because flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. Flesh can not go into the millennium\The Lord day\Kingdom of God. Because it is corruptible and we have to put on incorruptible. Because Christ\God can't coexist with sin. And when a Baby Christian grows up and start eating the meat of Gods word. They find that God comes with the whole host of the angels because they are with him ( Not just not just believers but non believers also But after Lucifer ( the anti -chrst ) has ben locked up we have a 1000 Years of training. So that everyone has chance after they know the truth. There are those who still won't choose Christ. And those who didn't choose God in the age before
Well i have ran out of time. I will get off here now and wait for the back lash.
Remember i am not afraid of what you guy can do to me. But i am afraid of what God can do to me.
Always remember this. The angles have many names. Angel\Souls\Life force\Energy\Spirit\ and Many more. It depends on what religion you are, as to what you call them. And only God can destroy the soul.
Can i get an Amen[/QUOTE]
After the 7th seal there is silence, I don't see where any trumpet blows.
Your theology has blinded you from the promise God has given to His people.
Paul spoke unto the Gentiles the following:
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Thee fulness of the gentiles was not in 70 AD
I would suggest not to put everything at the pin point of 70 AD , due that those theologian that teach these theology do not comprehend God plan for His people Israel.
In hopes that you will consider the following.
Paul spoke unto the Gentiles the following:
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Thee fulness of the gentiles was not in 70 AD
I would suggest not to put everything at the pin point of 70 AD , due that those theologian that teach these theology do not comprehend God plan for His people Israel.
In hopes that you will consider the following.
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I agreed to this point. After this point I disagree with the time line.
Sometimes your posts are a little long for me to respond to, but maybe that's just me. I know I have posted a few long ones myself, ha ha.
I agreed with your post until you got to the part about the 10 horns.
I always thought that when the Roman Empire fell, 476 ad, that it was the beginning of the 10 horns/toes era.
The division unto 10 symbolizes complete division, it would not be literal.
What do you think?
In thinking about the term "fullness of the gentiles", it seems that when the gentiles are "full", that's it.
I mean, the end of the gospel, the end of the planet.
When the gentiles are finally full, there will be no more conversions, because there won't be a planet left for the gospel to be preached on.
If the gospel were preached, there would be conversions.
But this word "full", seems to mean that's it, no more.
I mean, the end of the gospel, the end of the planet.
When the gentiles are finally full, there will be no more conversions, because there won't be a planet left for the gospel to be preached on.
If the gospel were preached, there would be conversions.
But this word "full", seems to mean that's it, no more.
Oh, yes, you did post a scripture with that.
It said, The earth abides forever, Eccle 1:4.
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But you teach that heaven and earth pass away at the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad.
If the earth abides forever, how can it pass away at the dest of Jeru.?
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If you say that it is talking about planet earth, then the forever is fulfilled AFTER the dest of Jerusalem, it is still being fulfilled.
That would mean that not everything was fulfilled by 70 ad.
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Which way would you like to go?
It said, The earth abides forever, Eccle 1:4.
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But you teach that heaven and earth pass away at the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad.
If the earth abides forever, how can it pass away at the dest of Jeru.?
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If you say that it is talking about planet earth, then the forever is fulfilled AFTER the dest of Jerusalem, it is still being fulfilled.
That would mean that not everything was fulfilled by 70 ad.
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Which way would you like to go?
There is something not quit right about your allegations. Israel was a person, not a place. There was no war with Israel unless Israel was at war with himself.
Genesis32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Iacob, but Israel: for as aprince hast thou power with God, and with men, and hast preuailed.
(Deu 2:29KJV) (As the children of Esau which dwell in Seir, and the Moabites whichdwell in Ar, did unto me
until I shall pass over Jordan into the land whichthe LORD our God giveth us.
There is something not quit right about your allegations. Israel was a person, not a place. There was no war with Israel unless Israel was at war with himself at least as I read the scripture.
Israel was a person, not a place
as I see it-
Genesis32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Iacob, but Israel: for as aprince hast thou power with God, and with men, and hast preuailed.
(Deu 2:29KJV) (As the children of Esau which dwell in Seir, and the Moabites whichdwell in Ar, did unto me
until I shall pass over Jordan into the land whichthe LORD our God giveth us.There is something not quit right about your allegations. Israel was a person, not a place. There was no war with Israel unless Israel was at war with himself at least as I read the scripture.
Israel was a person, not a place
as I see it
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Good Morning all
Don't have much time. So i can' t take time to ask you questions that you won't think about any way. So i will risk making people angry. Here it goes
A Jew Is simply Some one from the tribe of Judah. Who are not really in Israel. Not all of them any way. They are the line of Kings. But there are still 11 more tribes. 12 If you count the Levites, But then again there inheritance is Christ him self. There will be 12,000 from each tribe that will be delivered up to Death. ( Look that one up. It not what you think ). And the Seal of God in there forehead is they are not deceived by the deception of the end times. Which is in part done by the rapture theory. Gods elect don't fall for it.
Rapture Theory
As i understand it. The Lord will return and rapture church out. Then Anti - christ comes and deceives world. Then True Christ returns. And there are many different theory on the in between things. The church you go to will direct those thoughts.
Problem with Rapture Theory is we are still in the flesh when God returns. It starts in 1 Corinthians 15:12 thru end of chapter. that when the God returns at the last trump ( Seventh Seal ) It will be the start of the Lord day of wrath. Also known as the kingdom of God and The millennium. We are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Both believer and non believer into our new bodies, Why? Because flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. Flesh can not go into the millennium\The Lord day\Kingdom of God. Because it is corruptible and we have to put on incorruptible. Because Christ\God can't coexist with sin. And when a Baby Christian grows up and start eating the meat of Gods word. They find that God comes with the whole host of the angels because they are with him ( Not just not just believers but non believers also But after Lucifer ( the anti -chrst ) has ben locked up we have a 1000 Years of training. So that everyone has chance after they know the truth. There are those who still won't choose Christ. And those who didn't choose God in the age before
Well i have ran out of time. I will get off here now and wait for the back lash.
Remember i am not afraid of what you guy can do to me. But i am afraid of what God can do to me.
Always remember this. The angles have many names. Angel\Souls\Life force\Energy\Spirit\ and Many more. It depends on what religion you are, as to what you call them. And only God can destroy the soul.
Can i get an Amen[/QUOTE]
After the 7th seal there is silence, I don't see where any trumpet blows.[/QUOTE]
You must think this GOD thingy you keep poking fun at is funny.....Or you would not blatantly call GOD a out and out liar. you said:"literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome. "
Rem this your soul has to go to one place or the other...There is NO third choice!
Don't have much time. So i can' t take time to ask you questions that you won't think about any way. So i will risk making people angry. Here it goes
A Jew Is simply Some one from the tribe of Judah. Who are not really in Israel. Not all of them any way. They are the line of Kings. But there are still 11 more tribes. 12 If you count the Levites, But then again there inheritance is Christ him self. There will be 12,000 from each tribe that will be delivered up to Death. ( Look that one up. It not what you think ). And the Seal of God in there forehead is they are not deceived by the deception of the end times. Which is in part done by the rapture theory. Gods elect don't fall for it.
Rapture Theory
As i understand it. The Lord will return and rapture church out. Then Anti - christ comes and deceives world. Then True Christ returns. And there are many different theory on the in between things. The church you go to will direct those thoughts.
Problem with Rapture Theory is we are still in the flesh when God returns. It starts in 1 Corinthians 15:12 thru end of chapter. that when the God returns at the last trump ( Seventh Seal ) It will be the start of the Lord day of wrath. Also known as the kingdom of God and The millennium. We are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Both believer and non believer into our new bodies, Why? Because flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. Flesh can not go into the millennium\The Lord day\Kingdom of God. Because it is corruptible and we have to put on incorruptible. Because Christ\God can't coexist with sin. And when a Baby Christian grows up and start eating the meat of Gods word. They find that God comes with the whole host of the angels because they are with him ( Not just not just believers but non believers also But after Lucifer ( the anti -chrst ) has ben locked up we have a 1000 Years of training. So that everyone has chance after they know the truth. There are those who still won't choose Christ. And those who didn't choose God in the age before
Well i have ran out of time. I will get off here now and wait for the back lash.
Remember i am not afraid of what you guy can do to me. But i am afraid of what God can do to me.
Always remember this. The angles have many names. Angel\Souls\Life force\Energy\Spirit\ and Many more. It depends on what religion you are, as to what you call them. And only God can destroy the soul.
Can i get an Amen[/QUOTE]
After the 7th seal there is silence, I don't see where any trumpet blows.[/QUOTE]
You must think this GOD thingy you keep poking fun at is funny.....Or you would not blatantly call GOD a out and out liar. you said:"literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome. "
Rem this your soul has to go to one place or the other...There is NO third choice!
Nice try AB baby......
You know very well that the "heavens and earth" Jesus spoke of was figurative and that he was not speaking of the planet and that the "heavens and earth" of old passed away with the dest of the temp and the sack of Jeru.
John used "heavens and earth" in his revelation when he stated that in the new "earth" there was no more "sea" which represented the Gentile nations as against the "earth" of the physical nation of Israel when the final blow was made that removed the distinction between Gentile and Jews.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Jesus called Israel the "earth":
Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Does the planet need salt...maybe a bit of pepper?......
You know very well that the "heavens and earth" Jesus spoke of was figurative and that he was not speaking of the planet and that the "heavens and earth" of old passed away with the dest of the temp and the sack of Jeru.
John used "heavens and earth" in his revelation when he stated that in the new "earth" there was no more "sea" which represented the Gentile nations as against the "earth" of the physical nation of Israel when the final blow was made that removed the distinction between Gentile and Jews.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Jesus called Israel the "earth":
Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Does the planet need salt...maybe a bit of pepper?......
Because the Last person to become 'saved' has not happened yet. With each one saved, it is getting closer. It serves one other purpose(s). It keeps Satan off Balance. He is one to mimic what God does and He would mimic a Rapture if He knew when it was going to take place. Another purpose is the Great HOPE keeps people looking to heaven. If you and anyone not looking when Jesus Does come back to the CLOUDS, Guess what would probably happen?????
It is very foolish to doubt the sovereignty of God. Millions and Millions of people over the years have come to the bad side of HIM and the Bible tells us what happened to them...
Never mind, the Rapture... Your rapture could be at any time. It is "imminent" Nothing has to happen to cause it to happen. Know what it is.....It is your Death! Yes, when you die, you automatically go to Heaven or you go to Hell (a holding place until the Great WHite Throne).
What many are doing is the same as having a 44 cal. pistol loaded (with the rest of their days in its chambers) to their head and each day pulling the trigger. ONE DAY it will not just CLICK and you will instantly know it?
SLeep tight tonight??????
It is very foolish to doubt the sovereignty of God. Millions and Millions of people over the years have come to the bad side of HIM and the Bible tells us what happened to them...
Never mind, the Rapture... Your rapture could be at any time. It is "imminent" Nothing has to happen to cause it to happen. Know what it is.....It is your Death! Yes, when you die, you automatically go to Heaven or you go to Hell (a holding place until the Great WHite Throne).
What many are doing is the same as having a 44 cal. pistol loaded (with the rest of their days in its chambers) to their head and each day pulling the trigger. ONE DAY it will not just CLICK and you will instantly know it?
SLeep tight tonight??????
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lets play ur game then.
no end of the planet which is not true but ok.
what about death being the last enemy to be destroyed? all creation is groaning for Jesus' return. rev 21 hasnt been happened yet. u will probably just spiritualize it to mean some spiritual death or whatever.
this is horrible deception. u expect me to believe im in heaven when im in pain?
what about those brethren in the faith who are dealing with serious health issues, some even confined to a wheelchaiir. and u come along and tell them this is new heaven and new earth? horrible
no end of the planet which is not true but ok.
what about death being the last enemy to be destroyed? all creation is groaning for Jesus' return. rev 21 hasnt been happened yet. u will probably just spiritualize it to mean some spiritual death or whatever.
this is horrible deception. u expect me to believe im in heaven when im in pain?
what about those brethren in the faith who are dealing with serious health issues, some even confined to a wheelchaiir. and u come along and tell them this is new heaven and new earth? horrible