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eternally-gratefull

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Some Christians believe the right way to live is being extra judgemental and hating anything everyone does. And then people wonder "why are many turning away from Christianity?" It's not the people refusing to accept the truth, the problem is people forgetting to love one another

Its the judgmental holier than thou attitude. For some reason, they forgot their mission. Jesus said he did not come to judge, he came to save. Yet most of the people who walk by his name are the most judgmental people I have ever known.

They seem to forget. We need to bring people to Christ first. THEN God can work on their sin, but even then, Name one believer who did not sin after he was saved, There are not even any in the Bible. Even peter sinned.

There are times when we are to call out people (when it is affecting others) and there are times that we take it to private, but even then, only if we have a relationship with that person. Otherwise, we can expect to see the hand,,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'm not going by personal feelings. You more than most others here will remember that it was the remnant that did not worship Baal. Most here are condoning purposeful and willful watching of pornography. Yet they consider themselves part of the remnant. I don't see repentance and contrition on the part of the participants in this forum. That tells me a lot about this forum.
who is condoning it? You still are trying to be god, and judge other people. get over it!
 
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1 Corinthians Chapter 9



1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?

2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,

4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?

5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?

7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?

9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.


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full chapter for context


i was asked about the bolded verse


anyone care to share their understanding?


i have my own currently but it is subject to change
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes, pray that God will show me the light and I will see it's okay to watch pornography and to resist anyone who says it's not okay to watch it.

Blame shift 101. It must be a basic class taught at your church.

Lewt he who has no sin cast the first stone. A passage you must completely ignore. (Has he even proven he was right? Magenta denied the allegations, has anyone even gone to look what the truth was? I am not a single. And am not in the habit of looking for dirt on people. So when I first started to read it, I stopped. )
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And i am amazed that you cannot differentiate between acting and porn.
Wake up from the stone hedge. U dont even seem to know what porn is

Its the don;t drink dont smoke dont cuss attitude I grew up with.

Focusing on a few sins, and not focusing on God..
 

Demi777

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Its the don;t drink dont smoke dont cuss attitude I grew up with.

Focusing on a few sins, and not focusing on God..
Well the fun part is condemning other's sins, finding excuses for sins of self....making things a sin that isn't....the list goes on
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hmm.....viewing naked people engaging in explicit sex acts. Oh, my bad. I thought that was porn.

Come to your senses. You haven't heard the whole gospel.

Where are the people who came to Christ because they hated who they were and what they did and not only wanted to be forgiven for what they've done and who've they've been but wanted to be different people too?
There he goes again, Judging a persons eternal life based on what sins he thinks they commit, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt, his false pretense that he just teaches we must continue in faith only is a shame

he must not watch tv or any movies (oh wait, i forgot who he is honoring as his avatar and nic) so he is just as guilty in reality if those he is judging/

You can not watch a tv show without any sexual reference, or gar reference, or LGBT reference now a days. Most of my favorite shows now have lesbian characters. So should I shut of the whole world? Or use it is a way to open the door for others as we are able to discuss these shows? And maybe, just maybe, the question of God will come up. And we can discuss why it is God wants a man and woman in a single relationship only. and it is not the HATE that so many christians are proposing (like you)

Jesus went to sinners he went to the bars of his day to find people.. I guess Jesus was a grave sinner because he watched people get drunk, and you know how people act then they get drunk.. second guess maybe you do not..


 
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eternally-gratefull

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You are just venting,noone except maybe tommy have I seen encourage or condone,pornography,yet you act as if we have,this is where we split ways spiritually because you are looking for fault and grasping at straws desperately where as we are just "disappointed" because you feel the need to randomly seek out at and hurt others by interjecting not only in this thread but multiple threads and pushing what you believe on us,that's nothing more than "being aggressively forceful and harassing" for you are casting stones around when you don't have rhyme or reason but to be a nuisance and stumbling block to others,and now you lurk around waiting to be free from this site when you can leave anytime,I trust the mods here and have seen them do their job with efficiency and decent judgement,you just want to add to people's pain you have inflicted,otherwise you wouldn't linger so.

he is blame shifting, It is what he and PJ would always do when someone caught them in something and asked them to repent. They would never admit fault, and blame everyone else. It is what eventually got PJ in trouble to begin with.. Fault finding.. and blame shifting (he was trying to tear down Dons character and discredit him, because his doctrine could not stand on its own)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Explicit. Exacly. GoT ist that. You don't see anything. Don't you get that there's no wee wees and genitalia etc to see. Two ppl under covers moving around isnt porn
You see that on almost every show made today.. You would have to stop watching tv to not see that.

sdo I guess all people who watch tv are sinners..


 

Demi777

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There he goes again, Judging a persons eternal life based on what sins he thinks they commit, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt, his false pretense that he just teaches we must continue in faith only is a shame

he must not watch tv or any movies (oh wait, i forgot who he is honoring as his avatar and nic) so he is just as guilty in reality if those he is judging/

You can not watch a tv show without any sexual reference, or gar reference, or LGBT reference now a days. Most of my favorite shows now have lesbian characters. So should I shut of the whole world? Or use it is a way to open the door for others as we are able to discuss these shows? And maybe, just maybe, the question of God will come up. And we can discuss why it is God wants a man and woman in a single relationship only. and it is not the HATE that so many christians are proposing (like you)

Jesus went to sinners he went to the bars of his day to find people.. I guess Jesus was a grave sinner because he watched people get drunk, and you know how people act then they get drunk.. second guess maybe you do not..


U know what i think is funny... my school is right besides a swimming thing and if u look out of ou classroom window u can sometimes see the people from the fkk which is free body culture. Naked people exercising.
Phart would get a culture shock if he came to Germany
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Any professing believer defending porn needs to repent, or, if not, their church needs to step up with church disciplinary actions.

We have accountability partners at my church.. Porn is a real struggle in all aspects of our culture even the church, it is just to easily accessible.

We help them, like we help people struggling with alcohol or drugs. We do not tell them they are not saved, or will lose their salvation if they do not stop.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I have been watching it since the beginning and there has not been any actual porn in it.
Its easy to judge if u dont watch it. U make urself look like a fool towards us who watch it and see what goes on.
remember, a butt cheek is considered nudity by the industry, a side flash of a breast also is (even if the whole breast is not shown)

Again, you can get this with almost if not all tv shows today./ It started with NYPD blue back in the 90s where they showed a few things and people went crazy..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Definition of pornography
1 :the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2 :material (such as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3 :the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction

I am not going to argue this but men are visual creatures. When I see two people moving under a blanket I am thinking it. Jesus said if we think it, we are sinning. That is why I don’t watch GoT.

If you struggle with this, Then you should not watch it.

It does not mean everyone does.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What is amazing is how many Christians defend watching stuff like this. I can understand the struggle with sin. What I don't get is willfully indulging sin and then defending it. That's where the line has to be drawn.
It is different thing saying one defends watching it, and judging a persons salvation based on it.
 

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remember, a butt cheek is considered nudity by the industry, a side flash of a breast also is (even if the whole breast is not shown)

Again, you can get this with almost if not all tv shows today./ It started with NYPD blue back in the 90s where they showed a few things and people went crazy..
Well then imagine the face of the immigrants. They had immigration class and when they looked out of the window they had butts and worse pointing into their direction as the nekkid folks was doin aerobics
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It's not "defending" it's "knowing one's place" you may go on as some great person that is against this sort of thing,but you seem to delight in condemning others,despite yourself being a sinner as well,so you have ruled out all pornography and nudity c ompletely in your life,that's great,I have ruled out cussing completely in all honesty but you know what it doesn't make me better than anyone else,it doesn't mean I get to go around pointing fingers at people and shaming them,all it means is 1 less sin to worry about out of many that we commit day to day without even perceiving them.
Amen

The lifestyle of trying to comparison yourself to others is deflating, It is what I grew up benign taught, do not drink smoke or cuss. Look at playboy, or listen to rock and roll.

it made me into a hypocrite. It made me into a judgment XXX, it made me think I was better than I really was, and sadly it eventually caused me to walk away from God because I could not live up to the standard I was told a “true christian” would live up to. Being told, if you do this, you can not be saved, because if you were, you would never do this.

The problem is, you have to hide sins, afraid to be caught, You can’t go to a brother or sister in christ, and say hey, I have a struggle with this sin, I need help. Instead you have to fight it on your own, which as I know first hand, is an impossible task. So there is either blindness (hiding your own sins) arrogance (holier than thou) Pride (Thank God I am not like the sinner) while we secretly hide our sins, or deny they are sins at all, or we walk away from God saying why bother, I will never make it to heaven to begin with, so why work so hard when I will never make it. And I can GET NO HELP.
 

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Its the don;t drink dont smoke dont cuss attitude I grew up with.

Focusing on a few sins, and not focusing on God..
Well the fun part is condemning other's sins, finding excuses for sins of self....making things a sin that isn't....the list goes on
Do all people that say sinning is wrong do this? Or do some say their sins and other believers sins are all wrong.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You talk a good talk about the grace of God, but if you really believed it you'd turn from willful sin.

Talking up the grace of God (a.k.a. lip service) isn't going to cause God to give you a nod on your willful sin. Don't be deceived.
it never ends. it never ends.

Instead of love and peace, it is judgment
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jesus said to treat the person in the church who does not respond to correction as an unbeliever. Did you know this? Few do.


Calling sin sin is not judging people.
Is this church? Did She sin against you?

Calling a persons salvation in question is judging people..