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Older houses are $1,000 to $3,200 (in the capital - Prague) for a brick house per square meter.
New built houses are from $1,600 to $3,500 (again, highest in Prague) per square meter.
1$ = cca 20 CZK, for square meter. For large cities. In villages, its much lower. And villages are minutes from cities by car.
New built houses are from $1,600 to $3,500 (again, highest in Prague) per square meter.
1$ = cca 20 CZK, for square meter. For large cities. In villages, its much lower. And villages are minutes from cities by car.
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Apparently the US government pays more per GDP (ratio) on healthcare than the UK. I think maybe the difference is that all that money goes into private corporations and insurance policies rather than into actual healthcare. There seems to be enough pulling the cart lol.
I think the tax I pay is on par with what you pay in US. Well, so an old friend tells me (he now lives in Southern California).
Another good point is that that all children get free healthcare, that includes dentists and opticians. Thats a good thing, well in my opinion it is.
But we all have different views on these things. I just think that free health care at the point of need is a good thing. I don't mind at all that some of my tax money actually helps all people and not just those at the top.
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Bad idea.
That's what the mega churches do. They give exorbitant salaries and bennies to their pastors because they consider them top level executives who make millions in the secular market. Which by the way we all resent in worldly corporations (high paid exec's), but which the mega churches seem to think is good in the church.
Clapped out? I'm guessing that doesn't mean the applause ended for it years ago.
That's what the mega churches do. They give exorbitant salaries and bennies to their pastors because they consider them top level executives who make millions in the secular market. Which by the way we all resent in worldly corporations (high paid exec's), but which the mega churches seem to think is good in the church.
Clapped out? I'm guessing that doesn't mean the applause ended for it years ago.
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I've come to the conclusion that the pastor be paid what's left over after normal church expenses (mortgage/rent, electricity, etc.). No salary. No set amount. Biblically, he gets what he is worth toward the work of God. If he's not doing God's work well he gets little or nothing because the congregation won't be moved to give to them. If he is diligent and feeds the body and they are grateful he will be paid more because out of gratitude they will support him. The better he is, the more he will get. Double honor for more effective service.
This is how you keep losers out of the ministry. Paying them a set salary and not paying them in accordance with their spiritual effectiveness/ ineffectiveness is why we have so many pastors who haven't been called to pastor and because of that are spreading error and at the very least not helping the body grow up. It's the self regulating system that I believe God set up and which Paul is teaching. We don't follow it.
This is how you keep losers out of the ministry. Paying them a set salary and not paying them in accordance with their spiritual effectiveness/ ineffectiveness is why we have so many pastors who haven't been called to pastor and because of that are spreading error and at the very least not helping the body grow up. It's the self regulating system that I believe God set up and which Paul is teaching. We don't follow it.
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What true pastor of God would rob his salary from money budgeted for the mortgage if there wasn't enough for both that and his salary? If he was doing his job well, and they didn't have a million dollar mortgage, the pastor would never get in that position anyway under normal circumstances.
The people of God have zero obligation to support a false pastor. They owe taxes to loser politicians, but they owe NOTHING to a loser so-called pastor.
Exactly. And the true people of God won't support him. He will end up leaving to find the money he's looking for and pastor a false flock. It's a self regulating spiritual system.
The people of God have zero obligation to support a false pastor. They owe taxes to loser politicians, but they owe NOTHING to a loser so-called pastor.
Exactly. And the true people of God won't support him. He will end up leaving to find the money he's looking for and pastor a false flock. It's a self regulating spiritual system.
[for me anyway] a meal; and if any other clothes and shelter of men of low estate, which is where the heart of a true pastor would be; for a true pastor would not seek to make himself nor the Gospel of Christ chargeable to any: both to avoid the appearance of evil, and that his hearers know his sincerity in word and in deed.
Older houses are $1,000 to $3,200 (in the capital - Prague) for a brick house per square meter.
New built houses are from $1,600 to $3,500 (again, highest in Prague) per square meter.
1$ = cca 20 CZK, for square meter. For large cities. In villages, its much lower. And villages are minutes from cities by car.
New built houses are from $1,600 to $3,500 (again, highest in Prague) per square meter.
1$ = cca 20 CZK, for square meter. For large cities. In villages, its much lower. And villages are minutes from cities by car.
Perhaps a double-wide but then you still have to pay monthly lot rent. I like our two-story 1,500 ft town home in Clearwater with the provided lawn care and landscaping, trash pick up, swimming pool and hot tub. I agree that it would be a rare find to find a livable home in that price range unless you setting for an extreme fixer-upper. Even then there would be major expense involved in making the place livable.
I enjoy sitting on my balcony off the master bedroom and watching the wild life in the pond. The sunroom downstairs is finally cleaned up so that will be put to use as well. There is a light burned out in a fixture in the kitchen that needs replacing so that will go on my wife's 'honey-do' list. One of the plumbing fixtures in our downstairs half-bath needs some attention also. It works OK if you jiggle the handle after you flush. I believe that I'm all set in that regard.
I enjoy sitting on my balcony off the master bedroom and watching the wild life in the pond. The sunroom downstairs is finally cleaned up so that will be put to use as well. There is a light burned out in a fixture in the kitchen that needs replacing so that will go on my wife's 'honey-do' list. One of the plumbing fixtures in our downstairs half-bath needs some attention also. It works OK if you jiggle the handle after you flush. I believe that I'm all set in that regard.
Amen. IMO, a pastor that makes waay more than his congregants needs to get a conscience.
But I don't believe he should be starved out, either.
Too many today look at pastoring as a career, instead of a calling, because of the big salaries they can get.
The evidence of this happening is pastors church hopping every couple of years to a bigger & more prosperous church.
But I don't believe he should be starved out, either.
Too many today look at pastoring as a career, instead of a calling, because of the big salaries they can get.
The evidence of this happening is pastors church hopping every couple of years to a bigger & more prosperous church.
I read the first few pages only, so my apologies where I have duplicated the ideas of others. My comments relate to established congregations; church-plants should be supported initially by other existing congregations (as was the practice among the apostles), not by the new one.
Clearly, there is no set number, either in Scripture or practice. There are a few things to consider, but I believe that the most important is expectations: what the church expects the pastor to be (qualifications) and do (responsibilities).
A pastor in a rural village in Malaysia may not need a car; a pastor in rural Texas probably does. A pastor in Inuvik may need a snowmobile, while one in Fiji may need a boat. Each will need food, shelter and clothing. A single pastor with no children doesn't need what a married pastor with five kids needs. At the same time, the single pastor should not be paid less simply because of a choice to remain single; payment should be according to the job requirements, with the consideration of the cost of living in that area.
If a church requires that its pastor be educated, they need to pay for that. If they require an advanced degree, they need to up the ante. If they want a high-capacity person who could easily earn $100,000 in the marketplace, they should expect to pay $100,000. If they are content with a two-year Bible school certificate, the job requirements should reflect that as much as the salary should.
Balance these expectations with the ability of the local congregation: rural Appalachia likely isn't going to pay any pastor even $40,000. They should expect to pay enough that the pastor can live in the same area and attend to required duties, which probably include travel expenses. As with any job, the worker should not be out-of-pocket to fulfill it.
Set aside what the pastor feels called to do. Paul did not take a salary, but he made it clear that those working for the gospel should earn their living from the gospel. What a pastor is willing to accept should not have bearing on what the congregation "should" pay. Further, the life decisions of the pastor are not made by the congregation, so the congregation should not bear responsibility for them (previous debts, having a large family, etc.). The job pays what it pays, and ideally the generosity of individuals in the church will make up any additional need. A pastor needs to demonstrate wisdom in private affairs including finances and their use. I would add that if a congregation expects the pastor's spouse to work for the church, they should pay the spouse as well!
One final note: it's God's church; so ultimately He should be directing the disposition of finances. In other words, the board (or whoever makes such decisions) should consider all these things with much prayer, and actively seek divine guidance for the final numbers in the contract.
Clearly, there is no set number, either in Scripture or practice. There are a few things to consider, but I believe that the most important is expectations: what the church expects the pastor to be (qualifications) and do (responsibilities).
A pastor in a rural village in Malaysia may not need a car; a pastor in rural Texas probably does. A pastor in Inuvik may need a snowmobile, while one in Fiji may need a boat. Each will need food, shelter and clothing. A single pastor with no children doesn't need what a married pastor with five kids needs. At the same time, the single pastor should not be paid less simply because of a choice to remain single; payment should be according to the job requirements, with the consideration of the cost of living in that area.
If a church requires that its pastor be educated, they need to pay for that. If they require an advanced degree, they need to up the ante. If they want a high-capacity person who could easily earn $100,000 in the marketplace, they should expect to pay $100,000. If they are content with a two-year Bible school certificate, the job requirements should reflect that as much as the salary should.
Balance these expectations with the ability of the local congregation: rural Appalachia likely isn't going to pay any pastor even $40,000. They should expect to pay enough that the pastor can live in the same area and attend to required duties, which probably include travel expenses. As with any job, the worker should not be out-of-pocket to fulfill it.
Set aside what the pastor feels called to do. Paul did not take a salary, but he made it clear that those working for the gospel should earn their living from the gospel. What a pastor is willing to accept should not have bearing on what the congregation "should" pay. Further, the life decisions of the pastor are not made by the congregation, so the congregation should not bear responsibility for them (previous debts, having a large family, etc.). The job pays what it pays, and ideally the generosity of individuals in the church will make up any additional need. A pastor needs to demonstrate wisdom in private affairs including finances and their use. I would add that if a congregation expects the pastor's spouse to work for the church, they should pay the spouse as well!
One final note: it's God's church; so ultimately He should be directing the disposition of finances. In other words, the board (or whoever makes such decisions) should consider all these things with much prayer, and actively seek divine guidance for the final numbers in the contract.
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