“Christalignment" heard of this?

[stonesoffire]

Bill

again, nobody endorsed the cards. I haven't seen them. Don't know how they would use them. Don't know what is on them. So how can we give an opinion about them? I know though that a prophetic word comes up from our Spirit. Are they hearing and then giving the Word? I don't know. But, I've never had to use anything. God uses me. And not all that often.

But, operating out of the third realm IMO, would mean to know your position with Jesus, having sat down in His work, and allowing Him to work through us. This is the only thing in all this that I would agree with, if that is what they are saying.

And from your testimonies, I know you have been used this way.

 

[BillG]

Bill

again, nobody endorsed the cards. I haven't seen them. Don't know how they would use them. Don't know what is on them. So how can we give an opinion about them? I know though that a prophetic word comes up from our Spirit. Are they hearing and then giving the Word? I don't know. But, I've never had to use anything. God uses me. And not all that often.

But, operating out of the third realm IMO, would mean to know your position with Jesus, having sat down in His work, and allowing Him to work through us. This is the only thing in all this that I would agree with, if that is what they are saying.

And from your testimonies, I know you have been used this way.

Hi Stones.

If cards are used then they are endorsed, would you not say so?
I think for me the third realm is in us and it's not a place we have to go to.
That's why do not have to use anything as you say. Just rely on the Holy Spirit to bring revelation.

What concerns me with this thread is that this can lead to believers just relying on the faith of someone else for God to speak to them.
I was one who was like that.

So potentially what can happen is that people do the same.


Given the thread then people can seek out others for their faith in the hope that God answers and this is answered by a turn off a card.

Then this builds up, go again, what card is going to be turned over today.

Jesus is sat next to the Father, Jesus is in us.

It's a bit like believing, open the Bible, put your finger on a verse and that's what God wants you to hear.

So we see the verse and it doesn't seem to apply so we do it again.

Funny to me is the following example, yet sad at the same time.

Open the Bible and read about Judas

Matthew 27:5


5 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Close and open again

Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

I just do not want brothers to stand on someone elses feet but stand on their own two feet.


My thoughts also are that christenlightenmemt is not biblical, if it's not what is it?

 

[preacher4truth]

When a ministry allows this to go on in their church, and Bethel has, then it just endorsed it. Playing like they're not responsible won't line up with Scripture or before God. The pretense they aren't responsible is leftist ideology. The excuses for it on here aren't surprising in the least.

 

[star]

Using Tarot cards IMHO could lead to dangerous and perhaps misguided reasoning. Using mystics (crystal balls) to determine one's future is as well another dangerous game to play. I believe we are to be close enough to God and His Word, that the Holy Spirit will converse with our spirit as to leading us into any adventure.

 

[notuptome]

This thing with the cards is mysticism pure and simple. There is nothing Christian about it. Gods Holy Spirit does not minister through cards of this nature. Gods Holy Spirit ministers through the word of God. If prophetic words come by way of these cards it is not words from God.

What's next white magic? White magic is ok because it's used for good? Don't think so. It's all against God and should be dismissed as such.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[BillG]

Using Tarot cards IMHO could lead to dangerous and perhaps misguided reasoning. Using mystics (crystal balls) to determine one's future is as well another dangerous game to play. I believe we are to be close enough to God and His Word, that the Holy Spirit will converse with our spirit as to leading us into any adventure.

And if you dont mind me saying so it's the path he wants us to walk on. It's a level path, a path he leads us on.

 

[star]

And if you dont mind me saying so it's the path he wants us to walk on. It's a level path, a path he leads us on.

I don't mine at all.

 

[BillG]

Am I wrong but it seems a bit New Age to me

 

[preacher4truth]

Using Tarot cards IMHO could lead to dangerous and perhaps misguided reasoning. Using mystics (crystal balls) to determine one's future is as well another dangerous game to play. I believe we are to be close enough to God and His Word, that the Holy Spirit will converse with our spirit as to leading us into any adventure.

But "they're seeking it from God in the third heaven. It's just the Spirit of their gift of prophecy that is allowing Him to work through them. Its sitting down in his work. It's knowing your position with Christ. " Sincerity is all that matters, right?

Pfffft. It's utter nonsense and definitely not of God.

 

[joaniemarie]

And, again and still, you totally missed everything I said. I do not defend the things they do, just like I cannot defend the hating going on here and on the forums and videos you guys search out. I am defending the vilification of many God-loving human beings. I care about them. I do not care about haters seizing on "Aha!" moments to call others devils.

Very much agree with you on this because of the vehement arguments made here and the relentlessness of those who want you to "relent" and join in with them.

It's clear you don't agree with the wackiness on these sites anymore than SOF or any rational person. But the difference is you guys are not condemning people and assuming everyone who knows anyone who knows someone who knows certain people in a ministry who are involved with this are of the devil.

Because I'm one of the many other persons here who have been accused of being a heretic and following heretics., I do not jump on the band wagon and believe everything that is posted here on CC. Being forced to bend to the will of certain ones here who are relentless is quite discouraging and annoying.

I post probably once every other week or so a Bible devotional by Pastor Joseph Prince who many of the same here say is horrible and a heretic. They also say I am a heretic. These accusations are untrue but none the less they are regularly stated as a fact. These accusations are just as ferocious as they are against these "card holders and grave suckers" on this thread.

And so., when I read threads like this one and see the very same people doing the same accusing towards those they don't agree with., I am alerted to the huge possibility that they are wrong again. And they should cease and desist. I don't think many here who regularly yell "heretic" are capable of knowing what a heretic really is. Why? because those of us who don't hold to the exact same teachings they do are usually called heretics too.

 

[star]

But "they're seeking it from God in the third heaven. It's just the Spirit of their gift of prophecy that is allowing Him to work through them. Its sitting down in his work. It's knowing your position with Christ. " Sincerity is all that matters, right?

Pfffft. It's utter nonsense and definitely not of God.

I'm not sitting in judgment of those people cause only God has that right. I do not believe in what they are doing and believe, as well, that it is dangerous and can lead to misguided thinking. There are so many false teaching out there and IMHO if we do not stay close to the Word of God, we can be misled.

Perhaps praying for people we believe are going in the wrong direction and being led away from the truth is a job for all we Christians. It's a serious business for us to not pray for one another in times of need I firmly believe.

 

[BillG]

Using Tarot cards IMHO could lead to dangerous and perhaps misguided reasoning. Using mystics (crystal balls) to determine one's future is as well another dangerous game to play. I believe we are to be close enough to God and His Word, that the Holy Spirit will converse with our spirit as to leading us into any adventure.

No could about it.
I was exposed to ouji board as a youngster.
Very dangerous.

 

[star]

No could about it.
I was exposed to ouji board as a youngster.
Very dangerous.

That is absolutely dangerous IMO. Doesn't the bible warn us about evil spirits round about us? I take that seriously. While I've been called "names" for it, there are angels of light and dark all around us. Spiritual beings if you will. The devil is in the details me thinks.

 

[preacher4truth]

I'm not sitting in judgment of those people cause only God has that right.

Depends on what you mean by "judgment" and what you mean by implying I've judged them since you made that statement in response to what I said.

I do not believe in what they are doing and believe, as well,

Why not? Why don't you believe in it? Do you have to use judgment to determine that?

that it is dangerous and can lead to misguided thinking.

Just wondering what misguided thinking is here. What does the Word say about these that are lead astray like this, or perhaps have always been false in their teachings?

There are so many false teaching out there and IMHO if we do not stay close to the Word of God, we can be misled.

Huge difference between what we are seeing here since it is occultic thinking in a professing church. We're not talking infant or believer's baptism and which is correct. Much more dangerous thing here.

Perhaps praying for people we believe are going in the wrong direction and being led away from the truth is a job for all we Christians. It's a serious business for us to not pray for one another in times of need I firmly believe.

I'll be warning people about it.

All I know is it's not of God, if you call that judgment to spin a negative connotation on me for it, then that's OK.

We're to use it, this thing judgment. And for the record, using judgment isn't condemning a person to hell, nor is it doing the bad Matthew 7:1 thing that persons take out of context and pretend we can never use judgment. But that is the word you chose to use, judgment, which would also make it what you're doing yourself imho or you couldn't comment.

Discernment may be another word choice that is more accurate.

The practice is not of God. If that makes me a bad judge to others, then so be it, I cannot help that attitude inside of others.

 

[star]

Depends on what you mean by "judgment" and what you mean by implying I've judged them since you made that statement in response to what I said.



Why not? Why don't you believe in it? Do you have to use judgment to determine that?



Just wondering what misguided thinking is here. What does the Word say about these that are lead astray like this, or perhaps have always been false in their teachings?



Huge difference between what we are seeing here since it is occultic thinking in a professing church. We're not talking infant or believer's baptism and which is correct. Much more dangerous thing here.



I'll be warning people about it.

All I know is it's not of God, if you call that judgment to spin a negative connotation on me for it, then that's OK.

We're to use it, this thing judgment. And for the record, using judgment isn't condemning a person to hell, nor is it doing the bad Matthew 7:1 thing that persons take out of context and pretend we can never use judgment. But that is the word you chose to use, judgment, which would also make it what you're doing yourself imho or you couldn't comment.

Discernment may be another word choice that is more accurate.

The practice is not of God. If that makes me a bad judge to others, then so be it, I cannot help that attitude inside of others.

No I'm not implying you are judging. My comment was very plain as to how I feel and why I feel that way. Very simple. I do not sit in judgment on other people because I don't believe that's my job. As well, I find it unpleasant whenever I'm judged, especially when someone doesn't even know me as a person.

Yes, I would say that "discernment" is a better word to use and there is a difference between the two words I think.

As I expressed in my post, I fear for such a practice as they are doing and yes, I believe in praying for those who are lost, misguided, falling away, brokenhearted, depressed, or any other condition which keeps them from the abundant life promised to those who love God.

 

[preacher4truth]

No I'm not implying you are judging. My comment was very plain as to how I feel and why I feel that way. Very simple.

It wasn't as plain as you think which is why I asked. Since your statement "I don't sit in judgment" was your opening line response to my comment, then it appears you imply others do this when they comment.

I do not sit in judgment on other people because I don't believe that's my job.

This is why I say you're not as clear as you think you are. What does "sit in judgment" mean? Who is sitting in judgment? When you say it is dangerous, that isn't judgment?

As well, I find it unpleasant whenever I'm judged, especially when someone doesn't even know me as a person.

Still not sure what you mean by being judged. Is it like if someone shows you you may be in error, that you feel you're being judged?

Yes, I would say that "discernment" is a better word to use and there is a difference between the two words I think.

As I expressed in my post, I fear for such a practice as they are doing and yes, I believe in praying for those who are lost, misguided, falling away, brokenhearted, depressed, or any other condition which keeps them from the abundant life promised to those who love God.

Yes, we should pray for the lost and reprove works of darkness.

 

[posthuman]

I dont know Willie if that parable would apply in this case. I always thought this had to do with salvation freely given. The anointing is Holy Spirit Himself, isn't that right?

And wouldn't one have to overcome much in their life for the anointing to increase? We all get a measure, and that measure in the beginning would be the same. So for increase it takes much time in the presence of the Lord?

Thats why I would agree. Not everyone is willing or even able to do this.

Do you see something differently?

i don't agree that we all get the same 'measure' -- and i can support that:

There is one body and one Spirit — just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call — one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. Therefore it says,
“When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men.”[SUP]
(Ephesians 4:4-8)
[/SUP]​

[SUP]
this is just before, in this letter, he makes the oft-quoted remark that God gave apostles, evangelists, shepherds, teachers etc. there is of course the parallel here to 1 Cor. 12, about being of one body, each with different gifts. there, Paul does warn about envy & dissatisfaction, & that such envy should be overcome by the unity we share in the body, having one head, Christ - which relates back to the parable of the workers in the vineyard.

some people are given, by the Spirit, a measure of discernment or of understanding for example, that others spend years and years working to achieve. insofar as that sort of thing relates to however you happen to be using the word 'anointing' i do think that this parable applies. if we're talking about the same things here

i could give examples from my own life and from scripture, and couldn't you think of examples too?

[/SUP]

 

[preacher4truth]

i don't agree that we all get the same 'measure' -- and i can support that:

There is one body and one Spirit — just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call — one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. Therefore it says,
“When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men.”[SUP]
(Ephesians 4:4-8)
[/SUP]​

[SUP]
this is just before, in this letter, he makes the oft-quoted remark that God gave apostles, evangelists, shepherds, teachers etc. there is of course the parallel here to 1 Cor. 12, about being of one body, each with different gifts. there, Paul does warn about envy & dissatisfaction - which relates back to the parable of the workers in the vineyard.

some people are given, by the Spirit, a measure of discernment or of understanding for example, that others spend years and years working to achieve. insofar as that sort of thing relates to however you happen to be using the word 'anointing' i do think that this parable applies. if we're talking about the same things here

i could give examples from my own life and from scripture, and couldn't you think of examples too?

[/SUP]

Excellent.

 

[Locutus]

Will they be doing christa-wheel-balancing next?

 

[posthuman]

btw i thought someone said the cards this thread is kind of about were "artistic" .. ?



the pictures getting posted ((i assume these are the cards in question?)) sure don't make them seem that way to me. they're just text on a blank background, like cards against humanity or something.

*shrug* "artistic" can mean a lot of different things. i guess maybe whoever described them that way ((maybe i really ought to scour the thread for the quote)) meant they considered the font to be aesthetic.