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This is the last time.
A person of God can not walk in sin, So I never said if they do walk in sin, why would I say they can do something god said they can not do.
If your going to keep up with this nonsense. Then there is no use going forward. If you refuse to hear what people say to the point you continually twist and turn everything they say, then ther4e is no use going on.
A person of God can not walk in sin, So I never said if they do walk in sin, why would I say they can do something god said they can not do.
If your going to keep up with this nonsense. Then there is no use going forward. If you refuse to hear what people say to the point you continually twist and turn everything they say, then ther4e is no use going on.
I don't just think I could fall -- I know I could fall -- that is, I know very well that I have the moral capability to choose to do wrong - and having that capability I know that I could fall.
BUT GOD - He has supplied all that is necessary to keep me from falling and He walks with me moment by moment and in His hands I have no fear of falling . . . because I am ongoing believing in Him . . .
BUT GOD - He has supplied all that is necessary to keep me from falling and He walks with me moment by moment and in His hands I have no fear of falling . . . because I am ongoing believing in Him . . .
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then you have no faith in God. And do not tell me you do. Because God said he would never let you fall. He will change you. He has made you a new creature. Your trust is in self and your ability, not on God and his promise.
Oh no no no, do not say you have trust in God, then deny God can keep you from falling as he promised he would do.
Oh no no no, do not say you have trust in God, then deny God can keep you from falling as he promised he would do.
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Ok good. Then you are like the rest of us, Who are still sinning and falling short of Gods standard and must rely on the grace of God to keep us saved.
so lets do each other a favor.
1. Lets stop focusing on everyone else’s sin.
2. Lets stop thinking we may fall, will fall, or may not fall (God promised to keep us)
3. Lets focus on serving others. Giving them the gospel. And if God has placed a person in our lives who needs help. Lets help them without judging them, as God helped us and is helping us day by day without judging us.
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It becomes obvious your ego gets in the way of discussing the issue reasonably. I found the verses difficult to understand your point. Theologians discussing issues in the Bible first make their point then use the verses to back it up. I refer you to Systematic Theology by Louis Berkhof. Why do you think you are so much better at discussing theological points than those who make their living explaining the Bible?
You seem to fail to understand how the gospel message works.
Step 1 is admitting ALL have sinned.
Step 2 this failure seperates us from God.
Step 3 is knowing the fact that it requires a sacrifice of blood to remove the penalty of sin from us.
Step 4 is understanding Jesus was that sacrifice and accepting Him as savior removes that penalty from us.
Therefore the starting point is the admission of our sin. Paul discusses his own failure.
Romans 7
The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Step 1 is admitting ALL have sinned.
Step 2 this failure seperates us from God.
Step 3 is knowing the fact that it requires a sacrifice of blood to remove the penalty of sin from us.
Step 4 is understanding Jesus was that sacrifice and accepting Him as savior removes that penalty from us.
Therefore the starting point is the admission of our sin. Paul discusses his own failure.
Romans 7
The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
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No I do not get it, Thats why faith in God is foremost. If I have the ability to fail. Faith in god does not amount to much, i will always be wondering if I will fail or not (I will focus on my performance) and I will not be focused on serving others.
Believe me, I know,. I experienced it, I was where you are now at one time.
Believe me, I know,. I experienced it, I was where you are now at one time.
EVIDENCED to who exactly? God? He doesn't know He made us a new creation? Other believers? So our walk is a kinda report card to believers to prove to them we're saved? To the unsaved? Boy you better be careful with that one!! ONE occasion of too much drink, ONE lie, ONE fit of anger, etc... and you will get the "Aha!! you call yourself a Christian."
Evidence to myself? I am a child of the One true God, Born again. In One Hand God the Father holds me. In the other Jesus Christ. And the Holy Spirit has sealed me with His Presence unto the day of redemption! NO ONE CAN SNATCH ME FROM THOSE HANDS OR UNSEAL ME!
I DO NOT have to prove that I am a Child of God by my works, good or bad. I'm a Child of God by birth! If you have kids, tell me, are they your kids by how they obey and behave? Or are they your children because they were BORN your child?
Am I saying that a born again believer should walk in the flesh? OF COURSE NOT! Further, there are always consequences for sin. For the unsaved (eternally lost) AND the saved. My consequences range from liver disease or death by auto for drinking, STDs and possible divorce for sexual sin,etc.., to being an ineffective witness to the world in bringing the Gospel, to possible immediate PHYSICAL death, to finally a loss of eternal rewards.
STOP looking at yourself and others in judging walks! Keep your eyes on our beautiful, Blessed Savior!
Evidence to myself? I am a child of the One true God, Born again. In One Hand God the Father holds me. In the other Jesus Christ. And the Holy Spirit has sealed me with His Presence unto the day of redemption! NO ONE CAN SNATCH ME FROM THOSE HANDS OR UNSEAL ME!
I DO NOT have to prove that I am a Child of God by my works, good or bad. I'm a Child of God by birth! If you have kids, tell me, are they your kids by how they obey and behave? Or are they your children because they were BORN your child?
Am I saying that a born again believer should walk in the flesh? OF COURSE NOT! Further, there are always consequences for sin. For the unsaved (eternally lost) AND the saved. My consequences range from liver disease or death by auto for drinking, STDs and possible divorce for sexual sin,etc.., to being an ineffective witness to the world in bringing the Gospel, to possible immediate PHYSICAL death, to finally a loss of eternal rewards.
STOP looking at yourself and others in judging walks! Keep your eyes on our beautiful, Blessed Savior!
