Why do so many people think Paul was a false apostle?
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But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
(1Jn 2:20 KJV)
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
(1Jn 2:27 KJV)
(1Jn 2:20 KJV)
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
(1Jn 2:27 KJV)
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[h=1] Luke 3 1-4
[/h]3 In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, [SUP]2 [/SUP]during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John the son of Zechariah in the wilderness. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And he went into all the region around the Jordan, proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. [SUP]4 [/SUP]As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet,
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord,
make his paths straight.
[/h]3 In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, [SUP]2 [/SUP]during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John the son of Zechariah in the wilderness. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And he went into all the region around the Jordan, proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. [SUP]4 [/SUP]As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet,
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord,
make his paths straight.
That definitely does not mean sexless. It simply means that there are no marriages in Heaven (other than the Marriage of the Lamb to the Church). The angels are not sexless either and all are masculine. But the saints (men and women) will be what they were on earth other than being perfected and glorified (and recognizable).
It's true that angels are not sexless. But I don't think you can say they're all masculine.
Zech 5:
9) Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
Zech 5:
9) Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
This is neither philosophy nor theology -- it's mere evidence. Just read the New Testament and you'll see the difference: Jesus commanded obedience to the Law whereas Paul preached salvation by grace.
Ephesians 3:2
2Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.8Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence. 13I ask you, therefore, not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory.
Ephesians 3:2
2Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.8Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence. 13I ask you, therefore, not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory.
Yes, based on Genesis 6. But they were very naughty angels doing things they shouldn't have.
Right, lots of marriage-free sex. Sounds like a hippy love-in.
Seriously though, I don't KNOW for sure. But I'm not convinced we would have male & female genitals any longer if we have no need to reproduce and there is no sex. What would be the point? I wouldn't mind being free of all that. But it's for God to decide how he is going to make me. I don't mind being female if he raises me up that way. I don't think I'll be complaining.
Right, lots of marriage-free sex. Sounds like a hippy love-in.
Seriously though, I don't KNOW for sure. But I'm not convinced we would have male & female genitals any longer if we have no need to reproduce and there is no sex. What would be the point? I wouldn't mind being free of all that. But it's for God to decide how he is going to make me. I don't mind being female if he raises me up that way. I don't think I'll be complaining.
Why would the saints who have been perfected and glorified have anything to do with sinful behavior in Heaven (Q). How did this thought even occur to you (Q). What the Lord was teaching is that marriages per se are only on earth, not in Heaven (which is a totally different realm). That does not mean that people will become physiologically sexless.
Please read my whole post. I was joking. and I said I don't KNOW for sure.
You were the one that said you reckon we will still be male or female. It isn't unreasonable to speculate (and that is all I'm doing) That male & female may not be necessary in a glorified body. If there is no marriage, there is no sex. It's not unreasonable to speculate that there may be no need for male/female reproductive parts if we are never going to use them.
I'm not trying to establish a doctrine over this.
You were the one that said you reckon we will still be male or female. It isn't unreasonable to speculate (and that is all I'm doing) That male & female may not be necessary in a glorified body. If there is no marriage, there is no sex. It's not unreasonable to speculate that there may be no need for male/female reproductive parts if we are never going to use them.
I'm not trying to establish a doctrine over this.
I love prophecy. This one is my favorite. Please take note it is being spoken in the present tense to Israel.
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
(Deu 30:10-14)
Now what is really cool is Paul through the Spirit repeats this same prophecy. But this time in respect to Gentiles. Here it is in Romans ten.
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ
(Rom 10:6-8)
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
(Deu 30:10-14)
Now what is really cool is Paul through the Spirit repeats this same prophecy. But this time in respect to Gentiles. Here it is in Romans ten.
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (
his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law)
down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law)
again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word; Christ ( his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law) again from the dead.)
is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;(Rom 10:6-8)
I think you are spot on Marcelo.
Some of the ways you explain are a little clunky and give people pause, but your general message is correct.
The Lord Jesus Christ obviously preached law to people during His Living Ministry. The Lord alluded to salvation and Grace but He didn't directly preach it.
Matthew 11:28 [FONT="]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
This alludes to salvation by Grace through faith but doesn't expressly say for sure. We don't know that is what it is until after we have done what He says.
2 Corinthians 3:14-16
[/FONT][FONT="]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
This is still true. People don't understand Paul because you have to come to Christ first and have the vail taken from the mind and heart to understand him.
John 16:12-14
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[FONT="]12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.[/FONT]
Some of the ways you explain are a little clunky and give people pause, but your general message is correct.
The Lord Jesus Christ obviously preached law to people during His Living Ministry. The Lord alluded to salvation and Grace but He didn't directly preach it.
Matthew 11:28 [FONT="]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
This alludes to salvation by Grace through faith but doesn't expressly say for sure. We don't know that is what it is until after we have done what He says.
2 Corinthians 3:14-16
[/FONT][FONT="]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
This is still true. People don't understand Paul because you have to come to Christ first and have the vail taken from the mind and heart to understand him.
John 16:12-14
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[FONT="]12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.[/FONT]