Not By Works

Hizikyah · Dec 31, 2017

yeah ok.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malachi 3:14-18, “You have said, ‘It is worthless to serve Yah. And what did we gain when we guarded His Charge, and when we walked as mourners before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts? And now we are calling the proud blessed – not only are the doers of wrongness built up, but they also try Yah and escape. Then shall those who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak to one another, and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]listens and hears, and a book of remembrance be written before Him, of those who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and those who think upon His Name. And they shall be Mine,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts, “on the day that I prepare a treasured possession. And I shall spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him. Then you shall again see the difference between the righteous and the wrong, between one who serves Yah and one who does not serve Him."[/FONT]

Hizikyah · Dec 31, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malachi 2:17, “You have wearied [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]with your words, and you have said, “In what way have we wearied Him?” In that you say, “Everyone who does evil is good in the eyes of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and He is delighting in them,” or, “Where is the Master of right-ruling?”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:31, “But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Mosheh and the prophets, neither would they be persuaded even if one should rise from the dead.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."[/FONT]

eternally-gratefull · Dec 31, 2017

Giv it up His. Non of those passages prove your point. A person is not saved by works period. James did not contradict paul. If he did. We may as well throw scripture out. It Is useless.

dcontroversal · Dec 31, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

Amen......and quoting assertions made against Israel in Malachi also has no bearing....none of us have said it is wearisome to serve the Lord......grasping at straws <---they sell boxes of straws at Sams....like 3000 for $25.......

Hizikyah · Dec 31, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

I never said people were saved by works. YHWH saves, His mecy towards us roconciles us, without this we would be lost.

I was replying to this thought:

dcontroversal said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."[/FONT]

Faith without works is dead.

It is faith that saves (YHWH actually saves) but faith allows YHWH to save us.

if that "faith" does not have works it is not faith. I know or think you both agree with this in word but as soon as anyone says "faith without works is dead" you both say "lawyer!!! pharisee!!! justfied by works!!!"

yet James says it and the fact that you both freak out when someone quotes it makes me believe you don't want to believe it.

Hizikyah · Dec 31, 2017

dcontroversal said:

It does have bearing, if one had faith they will serve Yah, none are perfect but they will seek to serve Yah and to some degree they will.

The one that does not do this does not have faith.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 31, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Lol. And?

We say the same thing to. Yet you appose us at every turn. So I guess if your say it it is ok, but if we say it we are evil doers?

Your focused to much on works. Paul spent his ministry trying to show people that the law is not what saves a person or sanctifies them, yet all you do is post law. And we try to show you the truth, and you use james on us, how else should we respond>?

Hizikyah · Dec 31, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

Lets look at this again?

I continually say faith + works

DO you and DC not say faith only?

7777pinacled · Dec 31, 2017

Where ever you have been, whatever is in the way, look forward always, keeping in sight the fruitful blessings.

Keeping a guarded Heart, boast in the Holy One of Yisrael (Christ).
In Him we are given such a heart with ten curtains woven as family knit in Loving Kindness.

Hizikyah · Dec 31, 2017

also are all things lawful?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 10:23-33, “All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up. Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 13:41-43, "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."[/FONT]

eternally-gratefull · Dec 31, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Yes they will. By loving others. By serving others. By not serving themselves.

Hizikyah · Dec 31, 2017

7777pinacled said:

praiseYah He changes the heart to liken unto Him and His ways!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 51:10, “Create in me a clean heart, O Yah, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.”[/FONT]

eternally-gratefull · Dec 31, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Yes, Thats where you err.

You say faith plus works.

we say faith PRODUCES works.

HUGE difference.

Then when we say you say faith plus works. You get mad and say we mistrepresent you.

Hizikyah · Dec 31, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

WHen did I say anything about serving ones self?

dcontroversal · Dec 31, 2017

Hizikyah said:

No....we do not freak....we oppose your contextual use of it.......it speaks to MEN being able to see the invisible faith that JUSTIFIES BEFORE GOD WITHOUT WORKS......it has NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD.....Jesus was clear....those who have believed ARE JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD, SAVED, SEALED AND SANCTIFIED ETERNALLY and they have already DONE THE WORKS OF THE FATHER.....He also said those who ACKNOWLEDGE ME BEFORE MEN WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGE BEFORE MY FATHER........ANYONE who states or uses the words MUST HAVE deny the above truths....NO WORK WILL EVER SAVE A MAN....ANY WORK or FRUIT produced is the result of the faith and salvation one already possesses in Christ....it is the result of CHRIST THROUGH US AS A LIVING SACRIFICE and 1 work or piece of fruit proves the tree........ <--the works of the FATHER....BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE SENT!

7777pinacled · Dec 31, 2017

Hizikyah said:

also are all things lawful?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 10:23-33, “All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up. Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 13:41-43, "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."[/FONT]

Amen.
The Blessings build us up. And the curse is no more in the way.

Courage,
Where will a son or daughter be found in courage.?

Hizikyah · Dec 31, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

you do misrepresent when you say lawyer and phaisee.

faith does produce works, I agree.

saying faith + works is not saying faith does not produce works, you are splitting hairs on linguistics, come on really? Ohh you did't put a period you must beleive somethin else! LOL

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

James was one of the 3 main disciples and walke with Yahshua/Jesus daily, and was also His brother, He knew true doctrine well.
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dcontroversal · Dec 31, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

Faith plus works for or to keep or maintain = false gospel, no power, double cursed <---Galatians 1 and 3

Hizikyah · Dec 31, 2017

7777pinacled said:

Thanks to Yah for His mercy!

Im not sure what you mean when you say "found in courage"

BillG · Dec 31, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Hi H,

Do you not think faith will produce works?
What saves us?
What us evidence of faith?

Is it faith + works that saves?

Almost 2018 where I am. May our Father bless us all in the new year to come.

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