Why do so many people think Paul was a false apostle?
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Paul I see was in the Arabian Desert, with Christ the Risen there with him to teach him truth over error
So it was as if there was a chalkboard there, behind him. As Christ said to him turn around and see your life written on that chalkboard from birth on to now.
He then said to Paul pick up that eraser you see and erase your entire life from first birth to now. Then pick up that chalk as I teach you new.
So that took place in fulfillment to truth to remove the board in your own eye, before you go after the speck in another;'s eye
Was missing for fourteen years, being taught truth over error, before going to the Disciples and getting the right hand of fellowship
Yes Paul was is led and does not care about getting any credit to himself for being a vessel used by Father in Risen Son
So it was as if there was a chalkboard there, behind him. As Christ said to him turn around and see your life written on that chalkboard from birth on to now.
He then said to Paul pick up that eraser you see and erase your entire life from first birth to now. Then pick up that chalk as I teach you new.
So that took place in fulfillment to truth to remove the board in your own eye, before you go after the speck in another;'s eye
Was missing for fourteen years, being taught truth over error, before going to the Disciples and getting the right hand of fellowship
Yes Paul was is led and does not care about getting any credit to himself for being a vessel used by Father in Risen Son
By beleif, we are saved from Yah through Yashuah being Risen where new life is given from Yah. No other way I see to be saved as said by Father, Yah to us all as in Acts 20:21
Those that strand in Faith, no matter what to Father, Yah, eventually see the sealing done for them by Yah from day one in belief as in Eph. 1:13
Then see Eph 1:6, 7 Forgiven and accepted by Yah, because of Son's done work as perfect for them to be reckoned as so right now and forever in thanksgiving and praise as in Psalms 100:4, and 103:12 seen before by Favid before it had been done as is now done by Son, whom is risen where new life is given from Yah to all in belief to his love and mercy
Those that strand in Faith, no matter what to Father, Yah, eventually see the sealing done for them by Yah from day one in belief as in Eph. 1:13
Then see Eph 1:6, 7 Forgiven and accepted by Yah, because of Son's done work as perfect for them to be reckoned as so right now and forever in thanksgiving and praise as in Psalms 100:4, and 103:12 seen before by Favid before it had been done as is now done by Son, whom is risen where new life is given from Yah to all in belief to his love and mercy
Somebody talking sense,for if it is God's word and they want to dismiss Paul then how can they trust the Bible is protected from God so that people can be saved,for there has to be at least one version that is correct,but all the versions include Paul that I know.
Jesus and Paul taught the same things,and Jesus came to preach the Gospel,and Paul went in to more detail about it,but it is the same Gospel,like Paul said faith alone,not saved by works when we come to Christ,and then James added to that be led of the Spirit loving people,or you lack faith,because love is the fulfilling of the law.
Paul focused more on theological issues than Jesus did,but nothing Paul said is contrary to Christ,but Jesus came to give the meat of the Gospel,and to the core of it,not to go in to detail that could be handled by the other writers besides the Gospels.
In Acts 9 Luke,who wrote a Gospel,records the events surrounding Paul's conversion.We see that Jesus himself called Paul and sent him to be an apostle.If Paul and Jesus are not in agreement,then why would Jesus call Paul to be his apostle,and why would Luke write that.
Some people say why didn't the Gospels record of Paul's writings,which does not make sense,for Jesus and the disciples were before Paul was converted,so they would not use his writings,and they wrote about Jesus,and what He taught.
People will say whatever to support their belief,or to cause division in Christianity on purpose.
Jesus and Paul taught the same things,and Jesus came to preach the Gospel,and Paul went in to more detail about it,but it is the same Gospel,like Paul said faith alone,not saved by works when we come to Christ,and then James added to that be led of the Spirit loving people,or you lack faith,because love is the fulfilling of the law.
Paul focused more on theological issues than Jesus did,but nothing Paul said is contrary to Christ,but Jesus came to give the meat of the Gospel,and to the core of it,not to go in to detail that could be handled by the other writers besides the Gospels.
In Acts 9 Luke,who wrote a Gospel,records the events surrounding Paul's conversion.We see that Jesus himself called Paul and sent him to be an apostle.If Paul and Jesus are not in agreement,then why would Jesus call Paul to be his apostle,and why would Luke write that.
Some people say why didn't the Gospels record of Paul's writings,which does not make sense,for Jesus and the disciples were before Paul was converted,so they would not use his writings,and they wrote about Jesus,and what He taught.
People will say whatever to support their belief,or to cause division in Christianity on purpose.
1. Paul was a Pharisee. A teacher of God's law. He continued to
call himself a Pharisee even after joining the church.
(Acts 23:6) Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees,
called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees.
I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead."
2. Paul loved God's law. It was a delight to him.
(Romans 7:22) For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
3. Paul called God's law holy.
(Romans 7:12) So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy,
righteous and good.
4. Paul knew that breaking God's law is the very definition of sin.
(1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.
5. Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.
(Romans 3:31) Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means!
Rather we uphold the law.
6. Paul often read from the scriptures on the sabbath (which is kept by the apostles 84
times in the book of Acts). And the only scriptures at that time was the old testament.
(Acts 17:2) As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue,
and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures.
7. Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses when he first joined the church.
(And ironically, he's still being accused today.)
(Act 21:21) They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among
the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children
or live according to our customs.
8. These accusations were shown to be false.
(Acts 21:24) Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth
in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.
9. When Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses, he always denied this,
and said he does live according to the law.
(Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call
a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law
and written in the Prophets,
10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded"
and hostile to God.
(Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit
to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days
after joining the church.
(Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that
cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.
(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority?
Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God
is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us,
because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.
13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness,
and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.
(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness,
14. Paul mentions that the levitical priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.
(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.
If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says
"you are not under law but under grace".
Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture
that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....
(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under
the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law
but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to
someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing
God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come".
Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's
sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)
17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded
new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law,
instead of faith in Jesus Christ.
(Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith
in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law,
were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul
had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.
(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those
who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God
—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
- those weak and miserable forces where not Gods convocation
19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation.
Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind,
and causes you to walk in them.(Hebrews 10:16)
(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,
says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."
20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them.
(2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these
matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant
and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you
may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
call himself a Pharisee even after joining the church.
(Acts 23:6) Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees,
called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees.
I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead."
2. Paul loved God's law. It was a delight to him.
(Romans 7:22) For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
3. Paul called God's law holy.
(Romans 7:12) So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy,
righteous and good.
4. Paul knew that breaking God's law is the very definition of sin.
(1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.
5. Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.
(Romans 3:31) Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means!
Rather we uphold the law.
6. Paul often read from the scriptures on the sabbath (which is kept by the apostles 84
times in the book of Acts). And the only scriptures at that time was the old testament.
(Acts 17:2) As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue,
and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures.
7. Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses when he first joined the church.
(And ironically, he's still being accused today.)
(Act 21:21) They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among
the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children
or live according to our customs.
8. These accusations were shown to be false.
(Acts 21:24) Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses,
so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth
in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.
9. When Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses, he always denied this,
and said he does live according to the law.
(Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call
a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law
and written in the Prophets,
10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded"
and hostile to God.
(Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit
to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days
after joining the church.
(Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that
cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.
(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority?
Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God
is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us,
because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.
13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness,
and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.
(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness,
14. Paul mentions that the levitical priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.
(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.
If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says
"you are not under law but under grace".
Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture
that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....
(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under
the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law
but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to
someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing
God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come".
Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's
sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)
17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded
new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law,
instead of faith in Jesus Christ.
(Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith
in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law,
were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul
had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.
(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those
who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God
—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
- those weak and miserable forces where not Gods convocation
19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation.
Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind,
and causes you to walk in them.(Hebrews 10:16)
(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,
says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."
20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them.
(2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these
matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant
and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you
may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
One should not contrast "the earthly Jesus" with the Risen Christ, since that gives a false impression.
The truth is that Jesus of Nazareth -- UNDER THE LAW UNTIL THE CRUCIFIXION -- legitimately said to the Jews "keep the commandments", since He Himself was observing and obeying them perfectly. But He never taught them that the works of the Law could save them.
Paul said "you are not under the Law" since the Law was never meant to save anyone, just to condemn sinners. Furthermore the Law of Christ applies to Christians, not the Law of Moses.
The truth is that Jesus of Nazareth -- UNDER THE LAW UNTIL THE CRUCIFIXION -- legitimately said to the Jews "keep the commandments", since He Himself was observing and obeying them perfectly. But He never taught them that the works of the Law could save them.
Paul said "you are not under the Law" since the Law was never meant to save anyone, just to condemn sinners. Furthermore the Law of Christ applies to Christians, not the Law of Moses.
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"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call
heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things
which are written in the law and in the prophets:"
If Paul taught against the law (which is not true) then he certainly wouldn't have
worshiped by believing those things written therein. Paul was not a deceiver by
opposing his own beliefs that he taught to others.
after Acts 13, Acts 26:7 (KJV)
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come.
For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
-here Paul says that his hope to come, is in the promises given to the twelve tribes.
Romans 9:4
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,
and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
-the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and the glory, belong to Israel
This verse says someone is disannulling the commandments,
and is not for the good, but it is unprofitable to do so.
Jude 1:4 (KJV)
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to
this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
people turn the grace of God into [lawlessness]
Let God have the final say so
Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from
one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
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heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things
which are written in the law and in the prophets:"
If Paul taught against the law (which is not true) then he certainly wouldn't have
worshiped by believing those things written therein. Paul was not a deceiver by
opposing his own beliefs that he taught to others.
after Acts 13, Acts 26:7 (KJV)
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come.
For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
-here Paul says that his hope to come, is in the promises given to the twelve tribes.
Romans 9:4
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,
and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
-the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and the glory, belong to Israel
This verse says someone is disannulling the commandments,
and is not for the good, but it is unprofitable to do so.
Jude 1:4 (KJV)
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to
this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
people turn the grace of God into [lawlessness]
Let God have the final say so
Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from
one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
Resolved.
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It seems that those people who won't accept Paul simply can't, or won't, embrace the simplicity of the gospel in the way he presented it; believe, and you you will be saved.
It's as if they need to feel better about themselves by doing something to "contribute" to their salvation.
Yet by doing, they negate salvation as the gift it is.
It's as if they need to feel better about themselves by doing something to "contribute" to their salvation.
Yet by doing, they negate salvation as the gift it is.
Originally Posted by Grandpa
Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before
for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before
for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
No, that's what you want it to say so that your philosophy still works.
What it actually says is that there is a disannulling of the law because it is unprofitable and weak in making us perfect before God.
People are naturally lawless. They don't need Grace to be lawless.
They turn Grace into lasciviousness thinking that because they are not under the law that makes everything they want to do lawful. That isn't the case.
Colossians 2:16-17
[FONT="]16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
I suppose it was resolved 2000 yrs ago.[/FONT]
You would be wrong. Christ was risen when this was said.
This verse does not say at all, that Gods sabbaths are done away.
Do you know what "future tence" is, about things to come [future]?
this is simple, there is 6 days then a sabbath day,
also there is six thousand years, then one thousand years sabbath [future].
2 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord
as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
One of Gods Sabbaths will be inforced in the future 1000 year reign.
Zechariah 14:18 (KJV)
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall
be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep
the feast of tabernacles.
to say God did away with [His Sabbaths] now
would be to call the bible false prophecy, and God a lier.
But You refuse all the scriptures that says [when this rest ] is given.
So in the future this verse says,
We will be going back to using the moon for seasons,
not like today where the world follows a pagen sun calander.
Colossians 2:14-17
[FONT="]14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
It is the carnal understanding and the carnal "obedience" of the law that has been blotted out, done away. The observance of a saturday sabbath is a carnal understanding and a carnal attempt to obey a spiritual law. It is not obedience and cannot make anyone right with God.
Coming to Christ by faith and receiving His Rest is what makes us Righteous. The carnal observance of a saturday sabbath was the shadow of this Rest that we receive in Christ.
Hence verse 17, which are a shadow of things to come but the body is of Christ.
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[FONT="]14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
It is the carnal understanding and the carnal "obedience" of the law that has been blotted out, done away. The observance of a saturday sabbath is a carnal understanding and a carnal attempt to obey a spiritual law. It is not obedience and cannot make anyone right with God.
Coming to Christ by faith and receiving His Rest is what makes us Righteous. The carnal observance of a saturday sabbath was the shadow of this Rest that we receive in Christ.
Hence verse 17, which are a shadow of things to come but the body is of Christ.
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