Law of God vs. Law of Moses

[Ariel82]

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[Ariel82]

My friend do you know what God's 4th Commandment is? I thought you read post # 35 and agree with it and know the difference between God's LAW and the Mosiac laws written in the book of the Covenant?

read my responses again slowly.

i said i agree with parts of it. then i stated what parts i agreed with and what parts i disagreed with.

what about my responses do you not understand?

 

[Hungry]

Forgive this if it is redundant, I didn’t read the whole thread. The law was only to identify sin. Nobody is judged because of the law. At the end there will be two groups; the followers who live according to the Spirit and those who do what they want, according to the flesh. You’re either in or you’re out. There is no law for those who are in the Spirit. There’s only one command pretty much, love God and everyone else.

 

[Ariel82]

just read a post and wanted to clarify LGF

i agree with God's commandments. I disagree with your assertion that 4th commandment condemns Sunday worship and requires Saturday Sabbath keeping.

 

[Ariel82]

And where in Romans 14 does it say it is talking about God's 4th Commandment ? You still have not addressed post # 35 I see.

no you don't see, yet you claim too.

it shows that someone can worship God as they should during the Sabbath EVERY SINGLE DAY.

yet you probably don't understand how that is possible.

how do you worship God on the Sabbath?

what is the Sabbath?

What does God require His people to do on the Sabbath? or not do?

why did God give us the Sabbath in the first place?

do you know the answers? are your answers BIBLICAL or based on man made traditions?

 

[LoveGodForever]

just read a post and wanted to clarify LGF

i agree with God's commandments. I disagree with your assertion that 4th commandment condemns Sunday worship and requires Saturday Sabbath keeping.

Well my friend that is not true whatsoever. Where have I ever said to anyone anywhere that God's 4th Commandment condemns Sunday Worship? This is only a diversion because you have not addressed post # 35 linked. with your understanding of what the Old Covenant is.

I also asked you what God's 4th Commandment is because you seem to be getting it mixed up with the ordinances written in the book of Moses.

I also believe we should worship God EVERYDAY but God has commanded us to keep HOLY the 7th day of the week in the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments. This means no work is to be done on this day because it is a memorial of creation (Exodus 20:8-11). Now we cannot obviously keep EVERYDAY a HOLY day can we? No work would be done

Please if you disagree with anything provide your scriptures and adress post # 35 linked that you have conveniently ignored.

Only GOd's Word is true and we should all BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. Those that do not have no part in God's Kingdom. Those the break God's Commandments and teach others to do so are least in God's eyes.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The law of God is far Deeper, and far Greater than the law of moses. Although the law of God contains the law of moses. (However, the law of moses has things in it, which were for Israel only)

No one here has kep the law of moses. Which means they have definantly not kept the law of God (since it is far greater and complete)

The law of God is kept by the law of love (love God./ and you neighbor as yourself) if you do this, you will not break the law of God (or The moral law of moses)

You do not keep either law by your own power. Or by your own will (you can not keep it as it is) the only way you can keep it (and not perfectly) is as paul said, by seeking the things of the spirit. Not the flesh.(IE following the 2 laws Christ gave in the law of Love, ie serving others, even them that HATE you. And putting your needs on the back burner and relying on God to take care of your needs)

 

[LoveGodForever]

no you don't see, yet you claim too. it shows that someone can worship God as they should during the Sabbath EVERY SINGLE DAY. yet you probably don't understand how that is possible. how do you worship God on the Sabbath? what is the Sabbath? What does God require His people to do on the Sabbath? or not do? why did God give us the Sabbath in the first place? do you know the answers? are your answers BIBLICAL or based on man made traditions?

Once again where does it say in Romans 14 that is it referring to God's 4th Commandment? Where does it say in God's Word that God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are not commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Ok let's look at the Chapter...........

You pull out one scripture that says and you then interpret the verse as saying is it ok to brake God's 4th commandment and keep Sunday as a Holy day correct?

The chapter CONTEXT before this verse is....

1, Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2, For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3, Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4, Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

eating and judging....... (BEFORE)

5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

The chapter CONTEXT after this verse is....

6, He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

10, But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

13, Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

15, But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

17, For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

21, It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22, Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23, And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

eating and judging connected to days......

CONTEXT is very important when studying God's Word. Romans 14 before and after CONTEXT of v5 is in relation to foods and fasting connected to certain days. It has nothing to do with God's 4th commandment. If you brake one of God's Commandments you commit SIN because SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 3:20; 1 John 3:4)

Now do you honestly think Paul is telling the reader it is ok to break God's 4th Commandment when he says all through the book of Romans that Faith established God's LAW (10 Commandment) through LOVE (Romans 3:31; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 2:12-13; Romans 6:1-2; 6-23; 7:7-14; 8:1-11)

Please read Romans 14 in connection with 1 Corinthians 8 to get a better picture of what some of the issues were back in Pauls time. Sabbath keeping verses Sunday keeping was never an issue as they were all Sabbath keepers as was Paul and all the other disciples.

It is very clear from reading the scriptures that this whole Chapter has nothing whatsoever at all to do with the 4th commandment which is to keep Holy the 7th day Sabbath as a Holy day and is one of the 10 commandments.

Now how about adressing post # 35 linked that your ignoring on the Old coveneant and New Covenant scriptures as I have done with your post and scripture interpretation to show why you do not believe the scriptures sent earlier? Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps

 

[louis]

Forgive this if it is redundant, I didn’t read the whole thread. The law was only to identify sin. Nobody is judged because of the law. At the end there will be two groups; the followers who live according to the Spirit and those who do what they want, according to the flesh. You’re either in or you’re out. There is no law for those who are in the Spirit. There’s only one command pretty much, love God and everyone else.

Good way of putting it.

 

[Ariel82]

yeah don't have time for debate. see most of yall on another thread. if anyone wants to have an actual conversation, you can pm me. thanks Marcelo, its been interesting to ponder and discuss.

 

[LoveGodForever]

yeah don't have time for debate. see most of yall on another thread. if anyone wants to have an actual conversation, you can pm me. thanks Marcelo, its been interesting to ponder and discuss.

I see, I did not think so. It is ok maybe you can pray about it.

 

[Marcelo]

Now Marcelo you want scripture but when it is sent to you then you do not read them. Here are a few scriptures showing how 1. God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the Mosaic book of the law are different as well as the purpose of each of these under the Old covenant.............

I do read, but don't find any answer. Ok, I ask another question:

Burnt offerings are part of what you call law of Moses and yet the Bible calls it "LAW OF THE LORD". What can you say about it?


1 Chronicles 16:40 9David left Zadok the priest and his fellow priests before the tabernacle of the Lord at the high place in Gibeon 40to present burnt offerings to the Lord on the altar of burnt offering regularly, morning and evening, in accordance with everything written in the Law of the Lord, which he had given Israel.

 

[louis]

I do read, but don't find any answer. Ok, I ask another question:

Burnt offerings are part of what you call law of Moses and yet the Bible calls it "LAW OF THE LORD". What can you say about it?


1 Chronicles 16:40 9David left Zadok the priest and his fellow priests before the tabernacle of the Lord at the high place in Gibeon 40to present burnt offerings to the Lord on the altar of burnt offering regularly, morning and evening, in accordance with everything written in the Law of the Lord, which he had given Israel.

I will repeat my perspective that the people who were presented the law and to do animal sacrifice to the Lord were uneducated backward bronze age people.
Sacrificing animals to the Lord, put the Lord in these individuals' minds for a period of time.
During the time the Lord was in their minds, they would not have done any of the contrary things to the spirit the law indicates.
Same with keeping the Sabbath; those in the OT who kept the Sabbath would have had the Lord on their minds, and not conducting their business, which they carried out the other six days of the week.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I do read, but don't find any answer. Ok, I ask another question: Burnt offerings are part of what you call law of Moses and yet the Bible calls it "LAW OF THE LORD". What can you say about it? 1 Chronicles 16:40 9David left Zadok the priest and his fellow priests before the tabernacle of the Lord at the high place in Gibeon 40to present burnt offerings to the Lord on the altar of burnt offering regularly, morning and evening, in accordance with everything written in the Law of the Lord, which he had given Israel.

Hello Marcelo,

So you saying that you read post # 77 linked and post # 35 linked and you do not BELIEVE the scripture saying that God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the Mosaic book of the law written by Moses make up the OLD Covenant and are different and have different purposes under the Old Covenant? AMAZING.

This is why it is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those seeing see not. Those hearing hear not and those walking walk not. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.


Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts.

But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor. He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick.

Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness.

Do you know the scriptures my friend? It is a sad thing to reject God's Word when he is calling you. Many are called but few are chosen because many love darkeness rather then light because their deeds were evil.

There is nothing hidden when the light shines in darkness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I will repeat my perspective that the people who were presented the law and to do animal sacrifice to the Lord were uneducated backward bronze age people.
Sacrificing animals to the Lord, put the Lord in these individuals' minds for a period of time.
During the time the Lord was in their minds, they would not have done any of the contrary things to the spirit the law indicates.
Same with keeping the Sabbath; those in the OT who kept the Sabbath would have had the Lord on their minds, and not conducting their business, which they carried out the other six days of the week.

How do you explain the pharisee and the High priest killing Christ then? The day jesus hung, the High priest was giving the annual “day of atonement” sacrifice, Funny how he could be doing that, while he was committing murder.

 

[Marcelo]

Hello Marcelo,

So you saying that you read post # 77 linked and post # 35 linked and you do not BELIEVE the scripture saying that God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the Mosaic book of the law written by Moses make up the OLD Covenant and are different and have different purposes under the Old Covenant? AMAZING.

This is why it is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those seeing see not. Those hearing hear not and those walking walk not. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.


Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts.

But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor. He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick.

Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness.

Do you know the scriptures my friend? It is a sad thing to reject God's Word when he is calling you. Many are called but few are chosen because many love darkeness rather then light because their deeds were evil.

There is nothing hidden when the light shines in darkness.

Obviously you can't answer my questions, so you respond by calling me blind, unbelieving, disobedient, etc.

 

[louis]

How do you explain the pharisee and the High priest killing Christ then? The day jesus hung, the High priest was giving the annual “day of atonement” sacrifice, Funny how he could be doing that, while he was committing murder.

First: Who says the High priest along with the Pharisees actually kept the Sabbath (spiritually speaking).
Did they not wear long robes and make loud prayers so that they could show their feigned piety to the masses?
And didn't they get the Romans to do their killing of Christ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

First: Who says the High priest along with the Pharisees actually kept the Sabbath (spiritually speaking).
Did they not wear long robes and make loud prayers so that they could show their feigned piety to the masses?
And didn't they get the Romans to do their killing of Christ?

I am not talking about spiritual. I am talking about the law.

You claimed the law (physical doing) kept them free from sin. Because they thought of God. I am sure they thought the same thing too. But they were wrong.

 

[Marcelo]

Another evidence that "Law of God" (Lord) means the same as "Law of Moses":

2 CH 31:2,3
2Hezekiah assigned the priests and Levites to divisions—each of them according to their duties as priests or Levites—to offer burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, to minister, to give thanks and to sing praises at the gates of the Lord’s dwelling. 3The king contributed from his own possessions for the morning and evening burnt offerings and for the burnt offerings on the Sabbaths, at the New Moons and at the appointed festivals as written in the Law of the Lord.

According to Sabbatarians:

LAW OF GOD = TEN COMMANDMENTS
LAW OF MOSES = THE OTHER 603 LAWS

TRUE or FALSE?


Sabbatarians say that the term "LAW OF GOD" refers exclusively to the Ten Commandments, while "LAW OF MOSES" refers to the other 603 laws.

Seeing that the verses above say that burnt offerings are mentioned in the LAW OF THE LORD (GOD) can Sabbath advocates still maintain that LAW OF THE LORD means exclusively the TEN COMMANDMENTS?

 

[Studyman]

How do you explain the pharisee and the High priest killing Christ then? The day jesus hung, the High priest was giving the annual “day of atonement” sacrifice, Funny how he could be doing that, while he was committing murder.

And yet there are still people who preach the Pharisees were trying to get to heaven by obeying God's Laws. They were simply following the Law Jesus said they created EG. "We have a Law, and by our Law He should die". But we know God's Laws didn't condemn Jesus, their own "Handwriting of ordinances" did. Jesus "Triumphed over them" on the cross as Paul tells us in Col. 2. They did not keep God's Sabbaths, they had created their own. This is an important Biblical Fact. Had they humbled themselves to God and His Instructions, they would have known Jesus.