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Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Nothing said about having faith. Salvation is all about believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. Faith comes into play after salvation. Faith is how the believer lives his life according to God's word. Faith implies obedience. A believer's faith is his testimony. Some believers are weak in faith and have a poor testimony. Some are strong in faith and have a strong testimony.
Comparing Scripture with Scripture:
Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
People were not hearing about how those Romans got saved, rather their testimony and obedience to Christ after salvation. Here it is again at the end of the book of Romans:
Romans 16:19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Nothing said about having faith. Salvation is all about believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. Faith comes into play after salvation. Faith is how the believer lives his life according to God's word. Faith implies obedience. A believer's faith is his testimony. Some believers are weak in faith and have a poor testimony. Some are strong in faith and have a strong testimony.
Comparing Scripture with Scripture:
Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
People were not hearing about how those Romans got saved, rather their testimony and obedience to Christ after salvation. Here it is again at the end of the book of Romans:
Romans 16:19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 139:23, "Search me, O Yah, and know my heart; Try me, and know my thoughts;"
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”
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Not sure if your question above is about you or asking that question so that person who you responded to, how they would answer it to someone who is scared.
My response is the following.
You have no reason to be scared, no reason at all.
The gospel is not about being scared.
The gospel is about love, the love of God that he has for mankind.
God is love, he is not a scaremonger.
The only thing to be scared about us if one rejects Jesus, believes he is a fake.
One who does that is not scared at all, why be scared of something you don't believe in?
Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Do the above then the Holy Spirit in you will go about the work of the Father in you.
After Adam & Eve sinned what was their first reaction?
Genesis 3:9-10
9 Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
10 So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
Adam was scared, afraid.
Yet we know that at the point God reveals a plan had been set in place.
Jesus, who comes to reveal.
Jesus who says
Isaiah 41:10
10 Fear not, for I am with you;
Be not dismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you,
Yes, I will help you,
I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.’
My response is the following.
You have no reason to be scared, no reason at all.
The gospel is not about being scared.
The gospel is about love, the love of God that he has for mankind.
God is love, he is not a scaremonger.
The only thing to be scared about us if one rejects Jesus, believes he is a fake.
One who does that is not scared at all, why be scared of something you don't believe in?
Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Do the above then the Holy Spirit in you will go about the work of the Father in you.
After Adam & Eve sinned what was their first reaction?
Genesis 3:9-10
9 Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
10 So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
Adam was scared, afraid.
Yet we know that at the point God reveals a plan had been set in place.
Jesus, who comes to reveal.
Jesus who says
Isaiah 41:10
10 Fear not, for I am with you;
Be not dismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you,
Yes, I will help you,
I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.’
I should really ignore you Ralph, but you are just so lovable, am drawn to your posts.
If ones sin nature is dead, then how can that one live in it? Are you denying the power of the new birth? If one is converted, that one has EXPERIENCED the change in ones inner being. Doesn't mean old habits die immediately. So Paul gives us guidance through the revelation Jesus gave to him, that we need to capture thoughts which can stir up desires from the past. And not just lust.
So, we don't really know what we have been given when first BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT. Do we? Apparently not. We renew our minds to this great salvation of Jesus, identify with Him in His death and ressurection daily. Why daily you ask? Because today is the day of salvation. Always today. So stop please with throwing the past at believers and try asking about today.
Walk free in the Spirit which we are now, and learn of Him. All we need to do.
If ones sin nature is dead, then how can that one live in it? Are you denying the power of the new birth? If one is converted, that one has EXPERIENCED the change in ones inner being. Doesn't mean old habits die immediately. So Paul gives us guidance through the revelation Jesus gave to him, that we need to capture thoughts which can stir up desires from the past. And not just lust.
So, we don't really know what we have been given when first BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT. Do we? Apparently not. We renew our minds to this great salvation of Jesus, identify with Him in His death and ressurection daily. Why daily you ask? Because today is the day of salvation. Always today. So stop please with throwing the past at believers and try asking about today.
Walk free in the Spirit which we are now, and learn of Him. All we need to do.
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Does this not say that Jesus poured out His blood on the MERCY SEAT, before Father in heaven, and that blood speaks..intercedes for His own body on earth, and purges our conscience, from dead works?
so where does the law of sin or the condemnation of law, have anything against the blood of Jesus and those of us who bear His image within? Our very DNA braided or twisted together with His Spiritual DNA, one with Him, and always abiding in Him?
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Does this not say that Jesus poured out His blood on the MERCY SEAT, before Father in heaven, and that blood speaks..intercedes for His own body on earth, and purges our conscience, from dead works?
so where does the law of sin or the condemnation of law, have anything against the blood of Jesus and those of us who bear His image within? Our very DNA braided or twisted together with His Spiritual DNA, one with Him, and always abiding in Him?
I agree with you E-g whole heartedly, it is our "faith" that saves us and our "faith" is a gift of God. Even the devil and his angels "believe" in Jesus and shudder, (James 2:19). God has granted to each believer a measure of "faith" and each new believer He will, "certainly not cast out." It is God who saves, who keeps us saved and who will, "present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy." Jude1:24. From faith to faith our salvation is all of God, from the beginning to completion, trust in Jesus Christ.
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." John6:37
"He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has granted them.” John6:65
"And have I not myself heard you say in your heart--"Jesus, Jesus, my whole trust Is in thee: I know that no righteousness of my own can save me, but only thou, O Christ--sink or swim, I cast myself on thee?" Oh, my brother, thou art drawn by the Father, for thou couldst not have come unless he had drawn thee. Sweet thought! And if he has drawn thee, dost thou know what is the delightful inference? Let me repeat one text, and may that comfort thee: "The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee." Yes, my poor weeping brother, inasmuch as thou art now coming to Christ, God has drawn thee; and inasmuch as he has drawn thee, it is a proof that he has loved thee from before the foundation of the world. Let thy heart leap within thee, thou art one of his."
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." John6:37
"He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has granted them.” John6:65
"And have I not myself heard you say in your heart--"Jesus, Jesus, my whole trust Is in thee: I know that no righteousness of my own can save me, but only thou, O Christ--sink or swim, I cast myself on thee?" Oh, my brother, thou art drawn by the Father, for thou couldst not have come unless he had drawn thee. Sweet thought! And if he has drawn thee, dost thou know what is the delightful inference? Let me repeat one text, and may that comfort thee: "The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee." Yes, my poor weeping brother, inasmuch as thou art now coming to Christ, God has drawn thee; and inasmuch as he has drawn thee, it is a proof that he has loved thee from before the foundation of the world. Let thy heart leap within thee, thou art one of his."
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”[/FONT]
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That's the point, Bill. People who are still 'in the flesh' are not saved. Unless they can prove otherwise by NOT being in the flesh. It doesn't even matter if they were never saved, or left the faith. The point is they are not saved and ready to meet Jesus. So you're right. Believers don't live in the extremes of verses like Galatians 5:21. UNBELIEVERS do. People who make grace out to be a license to sin are showing they do not have the grace of God. If they do have the grace of God they will rise up in righteous indignation at the suggestion they do not and will make it a point to show different.
And other scriptures too.
I agree.
Hatred for sin, and sorrow over sin is the difference. Embracing sin in the way of this new popular doctrine of grace in the church, which we can not discuss, is definitely not the way of hating sin and asking for release from it.
I'm just going by what the Bible says.
People who 'live in' sin are not born again-Galatians 5:21, Ephesians 5:5, 1 John 3:6-10, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
That's not quantifying it as in 'x' number of times a person sins. It's about living in a lifestyle of unrepentant and unchanged sin. We've discussed at length in this thread what constitutes 'living in' sin as opposed to the believer who sins.
Please forgive the use of quantity, but let's look at that way to help illustrate the point about the difference between sinning and living in sin. Sinning 100 times and coming to Christ in repentance 100 times is sinning. We true believers can relate to that. I sure can. But sinning 100 times and then 100 more times and not even thinking about Christ, except what a bother He is to your sinning, is what I would call 'living in' sin. 'Believers' who can relate to that kind of a relationship with God have to stop and face the reality that they are probably not in Christ in salvation at all.
And other scriptures too.
I agree.
Hatred for sin, and sorrow over sin is the difference. Embracing sin in the way of this new popular doctrine of grace in the church, which we can not discuss, is definitely not the way of hating sin and asking for release from it.
I'm just going by what the Bible says.
People who 'live in' sin are not born again-Galatians 5:21, Ephesians 5:5, 1 John 3:6-10, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
That's not quantifying it as in 'x' number of times a person sins. It's about living in a lifestyle of unrepentant and unchanged sin. We've discussed at length in this thread what constitutes 'living in' sin as opposed to the believer who sins.
Please forgive the use of quantity, but let's look at that way to help illustrate the point about the difference between sinning and living in sin. Sinning 100 times and coming to Christ in repentance 100 times is sinning. We true believers can relate to that. I sure can. But sinning 100 times and then 100 more times and not even thinking about Christ, except what a bother He is to your sinning, is what I would call 'living in' sin. 'Believers' who can relate to that kind of a relationship with God have to stop and face the reality that they are probably not in Christ in salvation at all.