Hi Magenta
I was only responding to this post that preacher made. It's the one that EG answered.
Ive never studied doctrines and I have no desire to do so. Just the scriptures with word studies being my method. The first sentence is something you disagree with?
We cannot repent until we are drawn to the Father. The drawing would be the hearing of the gospel would it not? And it's a specific time of an event that our ears are opened, true?
I see very little of our doing other than responding yes. Then chains break.
Thats is what I see in preachers post and am in agreement. The other points of the calvinists that you wrote are not mentioned in his post.
I wasn't aware that EG had a disagreement with Preacher and the post took me by surprise.
Re: Gods elects
Originally Posted by preacher4truth
Here's the whole thing in a nutshell and why people get so emotional over this:
- One group is dead set on proving God chose or saved them because of something they did, like responding, or whatever, in total defiance and loathing of Biblical unconditional election. This is all contrary to 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 teaching and other Scriptures. Most believe they had inherent faith and voted themselves into heaven. This is contrary to 2 Peter 1:1, Ephesians 1:19.
- The other group is dead set to prove from Scripture that God did all the saving, from choosing whom he willed to save to glorification and everything else in between, based on his purpose and will, and based in absolutely nothing in man. It is Soli Deo Gloria. This truth is witnessed throughout Scripture and is not erased by John 3:16 and a slough of "whosoever" verses no matter how hard the others try to pit Scripture against Scripture.
The fight is summed up in this: One group believes they had something to do with their salvation and reason as to why God saved them, the other group gives all the glory to God. Battling for the former over the latter is absurd to put it lightly, it is Romans 9:20. But that is what they are doing, it's a belligerency to prove they had something to do with why God chose them, or more plainly, why they are saved.
See here is the first lie
He claims a group of people who believes in salvation by GRACE alone through FAITH ALONE via free will believes they had something to do with their salvation, and we are the reason God said us.
That is not true. But he can not own up to this FACT. Thus when someone tries to tell him this, or explain it to him, He gets upset.
He does not even understand the argument, how can he claim to know what the argument is if he does not even understand it.
It is HIS VIEW, he only wants to argue HIS VIEW.