You have to have some kind reasoning in order to understand that, since the elder is asking John who these in white robes are and the fact that they are never referred to as the church, ergo, they are not the church nor are they ever referred to as the church. You just don't have enough study regarding eschatology to understand what I am saying. Whenever I produce scripture, you say that it is my opinion. Talking to you is like talking to a preterist.
You have no understanding that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are how God is going to carry out the day of the Lord, the time of His wrath. You don't understand that Jesus is the One opening the seals, which results in the fatalities of over 1.7 people. And that's not considered wrath? As I told you, but you did not listen, Jesus is the One who tramples the wind press of the wrath of God Almighty and the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments is how he will carry out that wrath.
Here is the scripture:
"They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
Do you know anything about the Greek aorist tense? Those words "has come" are in the aorist tense, which means that the announcement is referring to God's wrath in its entirety, which includes the seals that will have taken place prior to the announcement, as well as the trumpets and bowl judgments which follow the announcement.
Many make this same error that you are making above. The trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would have come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. In opposition, God's coming wrath is not the same, as it will be an unprecedented time of wrath specifically sent from God. Those from the on-set of the church until this very day have been suffering the trials and tribulations that Jesus said we would. However, once the church has been gathered everyone on the earth at that time will be exposed to God's direct wrath, which will decimate the majority of the earths population and dismantle all human government in preparation for the Lord's millennial kingdom.
It is the Spirit who gives discernment regarding the things to come.