GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[3rdMesseger]

(Before you Read this, please listen to this song, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJuc40VxDw It's peaceful just wanted to share)

I said I was gonna try to end debating on here, but when I see truth needed to come out I muss say it.

This verse also doesn't say "Killing People Is A Sin" But we know that to be true, Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
You have to compare scripture with scripture, Just because God doesn't place the Sabbath in this verse doesn't mean the Sabbath isn't important, as much as Committing Adultery in John 3:16 means its fine, you can't judge something off of that, Jesus said love fulfilled the law yes, But if you love him You'll keep his commandments John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. You can't tell someone you love them yet you steal their car, no more then if Jesus tells us to do something and we don't do it. we he's done so much for us, but we can't follow his instructions, even then he still loves us, but if you keep rejecting God he'll stop calling. Romans 13: 8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

God tolds us to "Remember" the Sabbath day and keep it holy, and yet we can't do it, but we say we love him, In all this Jesus still is trying to save us, let's not reject his callings.
No not keeping the Sabbath itself wont kill you, But not doing what God told us to do, that's another story,
1 Samuel 15:22And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

We don't come on this chat to be legalistic, No, if we wanted to do that we'd talk on something in important on this chat, Like Trump,Politics Etc, but this is from the bible, if were wrong then so be it, but so far no ones been able to show me that, Maybe were the rebels, but from the word of God the Sabbath still stands, as far as I can see, If we are right then we must tell Ezekiel 3:18When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 19Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

We have no choice, God has given us a mission to preach to the broken hearted, and relieve those who are bruised. Matthew 28: “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

we must, Jesus told us to preach the Gospel, if we are wrong, Please tell us from the bible, we want to make it to Heaven, and we want others to aswell.

As it goes for cooking on the Sabbath, if God gave a rule, don't you think he'd give us a way to carry it out? God is just. as stated by LGF before (He also gave the quote), the food was meant to be prepared a day before Sabbath, you can heat food up, and serve it, Just not cut it up, and prepare the recipe, the Sabbath is a day where we communion with him, Not work and cook.


Godbless You and Keep You

 

[LoveGodForever]

(Before you Read this, please listen to this song, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJuc40VxDw It's peaceful just wanted to share)

I said I was gonna try to end debating on here, but when I see truth needed to come out I muss say it.

This verse also doesn't say "Killing People Is A Sin" But we know that to be true, Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
You have to compare scripture with scripture, Just because God doesn't place the Sabbath in this verse doesn't mean the Sabbath isn't important, as much as Committing Adultery in John 3:16 means its fine, you can't judge something off of that, Jesus said love fulfilled the law yes, But if you love him You'll keep his commandments John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. You can't tell someone you love them yet you steal their car, no more then if Jesus tells us to do something and we don't do it. we he's done so much for us, but we can't follow his instructions, even then he still loves us, but if you keep rejecting God he'll stop calling. Romans 13: 8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

God tolds us to "Remember" the Sabbath day and keep it holy, and yet we can't do it, but we say we love him, In all this Jesus still is trying to save us, let's not reject his callings.
No not keeping the Sabbath itself wont kill you, But not doing what God told us to do, that's another story,
1 Samuel 15:22And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

We don't come on this chat to be legalistic, No, if we wanted to do that we'd talk on something in important on this chat, Like Trump,Politics Etc, but this is from the bible, if were wrong then so be it, but so far no ones been able to show me that, Maybe were the rebels, but from the word of God the Sabbath still stands, as far as I can see, If we are right then we must tell Ezekiel 3:18When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 19Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

We have no choice, God has given us a mission to preach to the broken hearted, and relieve those who are bruised. Matthew 28: “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

we must, Jesus told us to preach the Gospel, if we are wrong, Please tell us from the bible, we want to make it to Heaven, and we want others to aswell.

As it goes for cooking on the Sabbath, if God gave a rule, don't you think he'd give us a way to carry it out? God is just. as stated by LGF before (He also gave the quote), the food was meant to be prepared a day before Sabbath, you can heat food up, and serve it, Just not cut it up, and prepare the recipe, the Sabbath is a day where we communion with him, Not work and cook.

Godbless You and Keep You

Very well said my young friend, nice to see someone studing God's Word for themselves.

May God bless you as you continue in his Word.

 

[beta]

(Before you Read this, please listen to this song, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJuc40VxDw It's peaceful just wanted to share)

I said I was gonna try to end debating on here, but when I see truth needed to come out I muss say it.

This verse also doesn't say "Killing People Is A Sin" But we know that to be true, Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
You have to compare scripture with scripture, Just because God doesn't place the Sabbath in this verse doesn't mean the Sabbath isn't important, as much as Committing Adultery in John 3:16 means its fine, you can't judge something off of that, Jesus said love fulfilled the law yes, But if you love him You'll keep his commandments John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. You can't tell someone you love them yet you steal their car, no more then if Jesus tells us to do something and we don't do it. we he's done so much for us, but we can't follow his instructions, even then he still loves us, but if you keep rejecting God he'll stop calling. Romans 13: 8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

God tolds us to "Remember" the Sabbath day and keep it holy, and yet we can't do it, but we say we love him, In all this Jesus still is trying to save us, let's not reject his callings.
No not keeping the Sabbath itself wont kill you, But not doing what God told us to do, that's another story,
1 Samuel 15:22And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

We don't come on this chat to be legalistic, No, if we wanted to do that we'd talk on something in important on this chat, Like Trump,Politics Etc, but this is from the bible, if were wrong then so be it, but so far no ones been able to show me that, Maybe were the rebels, but from the word of God the Sabbath still stands, as far as I can see, If we are right then we must tell Ezekiel 3:18When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 19Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

We have no choice, God has given us a mission to preach to the broken hearted, and relieve those who are bruised. Matthew 28: “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

we must, Jesus told us to preach the Gospel, if we are wrong, Please tell us from the bible, we want to make it to Heaven, and we want others to aswell.

As it goes for cooking on the Sabbath, if God gave a rule, don't you think he'd give us a way to carry it out? God is just. as stated by LGF before (He also gave the quote), the food was meant to be prepared a day before Sabbath, you can heat food up, and serve it, Just not cut it up, and prepare the recipe, the Sabbath is a day where we communion with him, Not work and cook.


Godbless You and Keep You

Hi friend, I don't think we should stop posting but not enter into or continue long endless topics that only lead to quarrelling and blaming ! It is obvious we are being 'baited by some just for that purpose and we should not fall for it.
When it becomes obvious that they have no intent of humbly accepting God's sweet Word it is wrong to shove it down their throat anyway...it causes hatred and rejection.
Regaling them with scripture their human/carnal spirit can not absorb or understand should be explained to them in simple 'Baby-language....as we use with our own human Babies when pacifying their needs...if it does not work we leave them be.... seeing they are already making their own choices.
There is a difference preaching the Word to the 'broken-hearted and bruised rather than the 'incorrigible disobedient and rebellious ! sadly some will never change and are evident in these last days !

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi friend, I don't think we should stop posting but not enter into or continue long endless topics that only lead to quarrelling and blaming ! It is obvious we are being 'baited by some just for that purpose and we should not fall for it. When it becomes obvious that they have no intent of humbly accepting God's sweet Word it is wrong to shove it down their throat anyway...it causes hatred and rejection. Regaling them with scripture their human/carnal spirit can not absorb or understand should be explained to them in simple 'Baby-language....as we use with our own human Babies when pacifying their needs...if it does not work we leave them be.... seeing they are already making their own choices.There is a difference preaching the Word to the 'broken-hearted and bruised rather than the 'incorrigible disobedient and rebellious ! sadly some will never change and are evident in these last days !

Thanks for your thoughts Beta,

For me I love to share the Word of God because my Lord has bid me speak I must speak. What he tells me in secret I must preach on the housetops. I believe it is our duty of LOVE to our God and our fellow man.

I do not write for those I know do not want to BELIEVE God.

Our duty of LOVE is to share the Word of God with whoever God may bring to us, to warn to correct to encourage all to have a closer walk with our Lord and to pont all to the Word of God because it is only in God's Word that anyone can find him who LOVES all.

Jesus is coming SOON and many will be LOST. Many are lost in ignorance of the scriptures and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

If my neighbor comes to me and I see my neigbor has lost his way then I have a duty of LOVE not just to my neighbor but to all those around to share God's Word.

Who may know what may become of it? Only God knows.

We can only plant the seeds but if no one plants the seeds and no one waters how will the tree grow?

Our duty of LOVE is to share the Gospel that all may hear and see and be ready for our Lords return.

There are others here that do not say anything but may come by and hear God's Word but if there is no Word there is no light and if there is no light there is only darkness. If there is only darkness how will anyone find their way when the road is dark and narrow?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[gb9]

then start sharing the Gospel. the Gospel is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. not keep the Sabbath. Sabbath keeping has nothing to do with salvation. those who are saved will manifest the Fruits of the Sprit. keeping the Sabbath is not listed as one of them.

 

[LoveGodForever]

then start sharing the Gospel. the Gospel is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. not keep the Sabbath. Sabbath keeping has nothing to do with salvation. those who are saved will manifest the Fruits of the Sprit. keeping the Sabbath is not listed as one of them.

Hello my friend,

The Gospel is being shared all through this thread.

The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

Mark 1:1
The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST; THE SON OF GOD <the WORD OF GOD; John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6>

This is the same Gospel we preach unto you. It is the EVERLASTING GOSPEL because HE is EVERLASTING. My friend put your shovel down REPENT and BELIEVE the GOSPEL (God's WOR D) for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND .

FEAR God and GIVE GLORY to HIM for the HOUR of GOD'S Judgemen t has come and worship HIM that MADE the HEAVENS and the EARTH and the waters and the fountains

This is the creator you are NOT REMEMBERING when he BIDS YOU REMEMBER The SABBATH DAY to KEEP it HOLY because HE is HOLY.

ALL praise and honor to HIM who loves us. The KINGDOM of GOD has come near you this day. Do you hear HIS Voice? It is the WORD of God, the EVERLASTING Gospel.
JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE GOD'S WORD YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS

Matthew 4
4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

John 17
17, Sanctify them through thy truth: THY WORD IS TRUTH.
Psalms 119
11, YOUR WORD have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

2 Peter 1
4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

John 8
31,Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, Ye shall be made free?
34, Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
35, And the servant abides not in the house for ever: but the Son abides ever.
36, If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

John 1
1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2, The same was in the beginning with God.
3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5, And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6, There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7, The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8, He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9, That was the true Light, which lights every man that cometh into the world.
10, He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11, He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


14, AND THE WORD BECOME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.

John 14
6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 1
21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

John 3
16, For God so LOVED the world that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES on HIM SHOULD HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE

Let's put it all together...........

We are to LIVE by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD (Matthew 4:4); IF we CONTINUE IN HIS WORD THEN ARE WE HIS DISCIPLES and we shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set us FREE from SIN (John 8:31-32; 34;36). We are made HOLY BY THE WORD and ONLY God's Word is TRUTH (Psalms 119:172); We are BORN AGAIN by FAITH in the WORD

What is all this leading to, can you guess...............................

JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD the power of creation(John 1:1-14; Genesis chapters 1-2).
EVERLASTING LIFE IS GIVEN TO THOSE THAT BELIEVE EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD. THE NAME of JESUS means SAVIOR (Matthew 1:21). We are BORN AGAIN as we BELIEVE GOD"S WORD. JESUS meaning Saviour means that THE WORD OF GOD IS JESUS AND THE WORD OF GOD ARE ONE AND THE WORD IF GOD IS OUR SAVIOR AS WE BELIEVE IT! FAITH IS THE VICTORY!


To BELIEVE on the LORD JESUS MEANS TO LIVE BY FAITH IN EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD! IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD YOU DO NOT BELIEVE in JESUS because HE IS THE WORD OF GOD! JESUS IS THE WORD AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TO BELIEVE.

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[gb9]

what is being shared here is ellen white / sda / Hebrew roots propaganda. while the o.p refuses to give straight answers to simple questions, making this theology more invalid, as real Bible theology can stand up to questions.

here is real theology- after the council in Acts 15 declared the gentiles did not have to keep the law to be saved, in Acts 16, when the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas " what must I do to be saved, " they answered " believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved".

they did not include Sabbath keeping in their answer.

 

[beta]

I do agree with you LGF but some (most?) who come on here do not appreciate the Word of God and it is my guess don't even read the many scriptures you so patiently post ! That is because there is no light in them by which they can see, read and understand.....
so the remedy is not to continually feed them more scripture but to get them healed of their maladies which cause their problems.
The reason there is no light (Holy Spirit) in them to give them understanding is because they are not knowing or following the REAL Jesus who could give them light....so we must first bring them to the REAL Healer the Lord of the Sabbath !

Christians as a rule just ASSUME that the Jesus they know is the real one without checking out his credentials...having been kidnapped as Babes and Infants they blindly took what was dangled in front of them by false ungodly men....now THAT IS THE TRUTH they need to know and believe before they can be helped to worship God in Truth !

We are warned of false teachers and deceivers deceiving the whole world and we need to know that we all have to be saved from that state...everyone of us ! Our Savior is Jesus Christ the Lord of the Sabbath and resurrected on the Sabbath...NO other ! The TRUTH will set us free !
All God's Words are precious but Christ...knowing the true one is our beginning !

 

[beta]

what is being shared here is ellen white / sda / Hebrew roots propaganda. while the o.p refuses to give straight answers to simple questions, making this theology more invalid, as real Bible theology can stand up to questions.

here is real theology- after the council in Acts 15 declared the gentiles did not have to keep the law to be saved, in Acts 16, when the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas " what must I do to be saved, " they answered " believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved".

they did not include Sabbath keeping in their answer.

It did not have to include Sabbath as special....it was a GIVEN ! for all the original Disciples and the Lord Himself were 'Sabbth-observers' and conversion of the gentiles 'required they turn to the Lord !and become spiritual Jews/Israelites...there is no division in Christ, we all PUT ON Christ !

 

[mailmandan]

then start sharing the Gospel. the Gospel is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. not keep the Sabbath. Sabbath keeping has nothing to do with salvation. those who are saved will manifest the Fruits of the Sprit. keeping the Sabbath is not listed as one of them.

Amen! The Gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To believe the Gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

The Gospel is a message of grace that is to be received through faith. The Gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws or statutes to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The Gospel is also not salvation by obeying the 10 commandments or salvation by keeping the sabbath day. Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4).

We must not be ignorant of God’s righteousness (as Israel was and modern day Judaizers are today) and seek to establish our own righteousness, having not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES. (Romans 10:1-4)

1 Corinthians 1:21 - For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who BELIEVE.

 

[gb9]

I do agree with you LGF but some (most?) who come on here do not appreciate the Word of God and it is my guess don't even read the many scriptures you so patiently post ! That is because there is no light in them by which they can see, read and understand.....
so the remedy is not to continually feed them more scripture but to get them healed of their maladies which cause their problems.
The reason there is no light (Holy Spirit) in them to give them understanding is because they are not knowing or following the REAL Jesus who could give them light....so we must first bring them to the REAL Healer the Lord of the Sabbath !

Christians as a rule just ASSUME that the Jesus they know is the real one without checking out his credentials...having been kidnapped as Babes and Infants they blindly took what was dangled in front of them by false ungodly men....now THAT IS THE TRUTH they need to know and believe before they can be helped to worship God in Truth !

We are warned of false teachers and deceivers deceiving the whole world and we need to know that we all have to be saved from that state...everyone of us ! Our Savior is Jesus Christ the Lord of the Sabbath and resurrected on the Sabbath...NO other ! The TRUTH will set us free !
All God's Words are precious but Christ...knowing the true one is our beginning !

personally, I read the Bible all the way through , over and over. I have my daily devotionals, but I read the Word all the way in context and chronological order,

I could care less about plucked out of context verses with man-made commentary inserted around them. that is why l.g.f. does. it is not valid.

 

[LoveGodForever]

This argument has been going on for thousands of years. Paul explains, over and over, that the law has no power to help or change us. Peter tells us to not be led away with the error of the wicked, but to grow in the grace and the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. The blind don't know they're blind. They will even argue with the original Apostles.

Hello Grandpa, it seems you are only arguing with yourself here again.

Thanks for sharing the scriptures but I do not think anyone here believers that they are saved by God's LAW (10 Commandments). We are saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of OURSELVES it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8)

However, if your FIATH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (James 2:18;20;26). If your tree has not FRUIT then it is cast down and thrown into the FIRE to be burned come judgement day (Mark 8:24; Matthew 7:12-23; Hebrews 10:26-27)

The wicked you are referring to are those SINNING against God by breaking his Commandments.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodForever]

I don't reply to him directly. I refute him because I think I should; but there is no dialog.

My dear friend,

If you do not have the Word of God to share, how can you deny God's Word? Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.

You talk about refuting now please show me one place in this entire thread or forum where you have refuted anything?

If you cannot you should believe the Word of God. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE. Unbelievers or those that put their own words over God's have not part in God's KINGDOM.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls is in LOVE to LOVE. SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Jesus is the "Prince of Peace." The 'sword' is wielded not by those who follow Jesus, but by those who follow another. How the cults cherry-pick the verses that suit them and ignore the context. Jesus requires that we give Him our whole. He goes on to say: Whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. (Mat 10:37-38 ESV)

You know who will be standing in Judgement over all of us, and HE will be separating the sheep, those who follow HIM; from the goats who follow the traditions of the Pharisees in their Saturday Sabbath. If I were in sda, I would be quaking in fear, except I would be out of there quicker than a bullet leaves the gun

Ephesians 6
11, Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13, Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14, Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15, And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16, Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17, And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

How can you fight the good fight when your armor is missing or you leave it at home? It is SIN that will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM. As it was in the days of Noah and Sodom so shall it be at the coming of the son of man. It is breaking any of the 10 Commandments that is SIN.

Just like if you comit Adultery and lust against another, God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hello brother LGF

This is 4th commandment

4“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. how private person tell stranger not to work oN sabbath? this verse is for Israel government brother.

No my friend this is not for the Government of Israel. It is for all who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[gb9]

Hello Grandpa, it seems you are only arguing with yourself here again.

Thanks for sharing the scriptures but I do not think anyone here believers that they are saved by God's LAW (10 Commandments). We are saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of OURSELVES it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8)

However, if your FIATH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (James 2:18;20;26). If your tree has not FRUIT then it is cast down and thrown into the FIRE to be burned come judgement day (Mark 8:24; Matthew 7:12-23; Hebrews 10:26-27)

The wicked you are referring to are those SINNING against God by breaking his Commandments.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

just to point out the obvious - we are not buying this cult religious double-speak. command keeping does not save, BUT if you break the 4th Command, you will go to hell, thereby making command keeping for salvation.

we see through this. and, sin is more than breaking a command. it is knowing to do good and not doing so. making everyone ( you and ellen white included ) guilty of sin. no Sabbath keeping can clean you up, or keep you clean.

that is why Jesus gives us His righteousness, we can never be " right " enough.

I feel sad for you. you are trapped in a prison made in your own mind.

 

[beta]

personally, I read the Bible all the way through , over and over. I have my daily devotionals, but I read the Word all the way in context and chronological order,

I could care less about plucked out of context verses with man-made commentary inserted around them. that is why l.g.f. does. it is not valid.

They are not verses plucked out of context but relevant for the discussion in progress.
When people have not been circumcised in their stony hearts the Word of God can not penetrate to reveal Truth to them and 'head-knowledge remains just that, something learnt by rote and lacking substance no matter how often read.

 

[gb9]

They are not verses plucked out of context but relevant for the discussion in progress.
When people have not been circumcised in their stony hearts the Word of God can not penetrate to reveal Truth to them and 'head-knowledge remains just that, something learnt by rote and lacking substance no matter how often read.

look, down here in the u.s.a. south, we are taught to respect our elders. so, with apologizes , you are dead wrong about verses not being out of context. they are.

folks like ya'll cite 1st John for command keeping. then, in chapter 3, when John says the commands are believe in the name of the Son, and love one another, ya'll dismiss it, saying he can't possibly mean , well, what he clearly meant.

and, no Sabbath keeping mentioned. by a jewish man, born and raised keeping the Sabbath. so, if that were a command for N.T. believers, it is safe to assume he would have said so, right there, while listing the commands.

 

[Roadkill]

Well since according to God's Word being "under the law" means being dead in my sins, you are once again mistaken. I do not wish to remain "under the Law" or dead as it were.

I have Faith" that Jesus removed my sins and I am no longer dead (under the law) but alive to serve.

Shall I transgress the Commandments of God by following ancient religious traditions created by a sun worshipper, or create images of God in the likeness of some man or fish or anything else on earth? Paul says "God Forbid".

How can I claim to love the God of the bible,(Jesus) then turn right around after He died for me, and dishonor and disrespect Him by doing the same things the religious men that murdered Him did?

Matthew 12:7 But to Judge others because they worship on a different day than you is wrong. This is not your place to do. God sees the reasons a person does what they do and judges their hearts. We don't know everyone's circumstances in regard to the day they can worship God, God sees and judges the intentions of the heart.

To have compassion and mercy on others that can't uphold the law is more important to God than any Religious act or Sacrifice. To do otherwise puts you into the class of the Pharisees as far as Jesus Taught.

And consider what Jesus did on the Sabbath. He did good which was contrary to the law of the Pharisees which stated you couldn't. Do you dare Judge the Lord of the Sabbath? The Pharisees did. They said that the Co-Creator of Mankind wasn't HUMAN enough to be worthy of life because he didn't follow all of their rules.

Matthew 11:25

 

[Jackson123]

Sabbath observance fail understand simple Logic

They say mosaic law is not valid anymore but they not cook oN sabbath because of mosaic law

Exodus 35:3

“Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.”

be honest friend, this is prove your doctrine is wrong and not consistent . Gospel must honest and consistent, or It self prove AS a false gospel​