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Ruckman teaching that the KJV can correct the Greek (including the TR) | Ruckmanism.org
This has a quote attributed to PR in it.
This has a quote attributed to PR in it.
To blazes with “THE GREEK TEXT.” It is so inferior to the English text they are not worthy of standing on the same shelf. I put Nestle, Hort, Aland, Metzger, Alford, Souter, Erasmus, Stephanus, Elzevir, and the rest on a shelf below my original edition of the Authorized Version from 1613. (Ruckman, Peter. The Christian’s Handbook of Biblical Scholarship. Pensacola, Bible Baptist Bookstore, 1988, p. 338)
This guy was a loose cannon who polluted the minds of many ppl.
This guy was a loose cannon who polluted the minds of many ppl.
“Well, when Erasmus, Colinaeus, Stephanus, Beza, and Elzevir disagree among themselves, how do you know which reading is right?” God the Holy Spirit let you know the correct text by the one on which He put His approval—the King James Authorized Version of 1611 (cf. Jer. 36:32). (Bible Believers’ Bulletin Nov. 2011, p. 3)
If the King James reading is with Beza (where he disagrees with Erasmus) we take Beza. If the King James reading agrees with Erasmus but doesn’t agree with Stephanus, we take Erasmus.
We have a standard of final authority by which we judge Greek manuscripts. It’s a King James 1611 Authorized Version. That is our final authority. That is final. Not even our opinion about it is final. It itself is final. This makes Bible-believing Christians the only Christians in the world, as far as we know, that have a final authority that isn’t just somebody’s opinion. When the King James wasn’t around, then certainly God gave those Christians, in their language, a Book for their final authority; but when you consider the majority of human beings instead of a minority, you can see why He finally gave them a Bible in the universal language of the Twenty and Twenty-first Centuries—English. That’s our final authority. You say, “Which edition?” That is very simple: any edition. You say, “Well, what do you do when the two don’t agree?” They wouldn’t have to agree as long as they didn’t contradict. (Bible Believers’ Bulletin March 2008, p. 12)
Everyone who defends the 1611 uses a 1769, and in that edition, there's Oxford and Cambridge. Oh the insanity in it all.
We have a standard of final authority by which we judge Greek manuscripts. It’s a King James 1611 Authorized Version. That is our final authority. That is final. Not even our opinion about it is final. It itself is final. This makes Bible-believing Christians the only Christians in the world, as far as we know, that have a final authority that isn’t just somebody’s opinion. When the King James wasn’t around, then certainly God gave those Christians, in their language, a Book for their final authority; but when you consider the majority of human beings instead of a minority, you can see why He finally gave them a Bible in the universal language of the Twenty and Twenty-first Centuries—English. That’s our final authority. You say, “Which edition?” That is very simple: any edition. You say, “Well, what do you do when the two don’t agree?” They wouldn’t have to agree as long as they didn’t contradict. (Bible Believers’ Bulletin March 2008, p. 12)
Everyone who defends the 1611 uses a 1769, and in that edition, there's Oxford and Cambridge. Oh the insanity in it all.
No doubt, except that now with television, film and recorded music it may take a bit longer to change.
Have you ever seen old English? (Anglo Saxon) A modern English speaker can't recognise it let alone understand it.
This is The Lords's Prayer in Old English
Fæder ure, þu þe eart on heofonum,
(Father our, thou that art in the heavens)
si þin name gehælgod
(be thy name hallowed )
Tobecume þin rice. Gewurþe ðin willa
(May come thy kingdom. May be worthy thy will)
on eorðan swa swa on heofunum.
(on earth so as in the heavens)
Urne gedæghwæmlican hlaf syle us todæg
(Our daily loaf give us today)
and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
(and forgive us our guilts so as we forgive our guilt-causers)
ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of efele. Soþlice.
(Not lead thou us into temptation, and loose us from evil. Amen.)
Have you ever seen old English? (Anglo Saxon) A modern English speaker can't recognise it let alone understand it.
This is The Lords's Prayer in Old English
Fæder ure, þu þe eart on heofonum,
(Father our, thou that art in the heavens)
si þin name gehælgod
(be thy name hallowed )
Tobecume þin rice. Gewurþe ðin willa
(May come thy kingdom. May be worthy thy will)
on eorðan swa swa on heofunum.
(on earth so as in the heavens)
Urne gedæghwæmlican hlaf syle us todæg
(Our daily loaf give us today)
and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
(and forgive us our guilts so as we forgive our guilt-causers)
ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of efele. Soþlice.
(Not lead thou us into temptation, and loose us from evil. Amen.)
Isn't it great that we are not all the same? I am just opposite of you. I would choose the NASB as my "one and only", if I had to choose.
I have many translations in my bookshelf... KJV, NKJV, NIV, ESV, RSV, NLT, MLT..... probably more that I cannot remember right now...
If I had to pick one simply for ease of reading, it would be the NLT.
I have many translations in my bookshelf... KJV, NKJV, NIV, ESV, RSV, NLT, MLT..... probably more that I cannot remember right now...
If I had to pick one simply for ease of reading, it would be the NLT.
Just a sample for you:
Matthew 9:17 - NASB / wineskins - KJV / bottles
Matthew 1:11 - NASB / deportation - KJV / carried away
Luke 6:22 - NASB / ostracize - KJV / separate you from their company
1 Thes. 2:18 - NASB / thwarted - KJV / hindered
1 Tim. 3:3 - NASB / pugnacious - KJV / striker
1 Tim. 3:8 - NASB / sordid - KJV / filthy
1 Tim. 6:16 - NASB / a pang - KJV / sorrows
Hebrews 7:2 - NASB / apportioned - KJV / gave
Hebrews 12:1 - NASB / encumbrance - KJV / weight
Revelation 6:8 - NASB / ashen - KJV / pale
Revelation 18:1 - NASB / illumined - KJV / lightened
No doubt, except that now with television, film and recorded music it may take a bit longer to change.
Have you ever seen old English? (Anglo Saxon) A modern English speaker can't recognise it let alone understand it.
This is The Lords's Prayer in Old English
Fæder ure, þu þe eart on heofonum,
(Father our, thou that art in the heavens)
si þin name gehælgod
(be thy name hallowed )
Tobecume þin rice. Gewurþe ðin willa
(May come thy kingdom. May be worthy thy will)
on eorðan swa swa on heofunum.
(on earth so as in the heavens)
Urne gedæghwæmlican hlaf syle us todæg
(Our daily loaf give us today)
and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
(and forgive us our guilts so as we forgive our guilt-causers)
ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of efele. Soþlice.
(Not lead thou us into temptation, and loose us from evil. Amen.)
Have you ever seen old English? (Anglo Saxon) A modern English speaker can't recognise it let alone understand it.
This is The Lords's Prayer in Old English
Fæder ure, þu þe eart on heofonum,
(Father our, thou that art in the heavens)
si þin name gehælgod
(be thy name hallowed )
Tobecume þin rice. Gewurþe ðin willa
(May come thy kingdom. May be worthy thy will)
on eorðan swa swa on heofunum.
(on earth so as in the heavens)
Urne gedæghwæmlican hlaf syle us todæg
(Our daily loaf give us today)
and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
(and forgive us our guilts so as we forgive our guilt-causers)
ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of efele. Soþlice.
(Not lead thou us into temptation, and loose us from evil. Amen.)
i just had a Chaucer flashback!
it wasn't pretty. lol