Not By Works
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It is all pretty much all some people can talk about. It seems to be their focus 
Amen! What a good example you are to us, Stones
Amen! What a good example you are to us, Stones
And I believe you are right. The law does that to us. Points out sin. Grace points out Jesus!
You know, even if one would just truly think about the scriptures assuring us of eternal salvation, a bit of common sense should help us to see the security of our salvation doesn't come from us by from the power of God through His Son and the sealing of the Holy Spirit. Really, just think about it in simple terms.
Oh we humans just have to complicate such a simple matter.
Oh we humans just have to complicate such a simple matter.
If we are to build one another up, how can that be possible with so much difference of interpretation among believers? I can't "build up" someone who is convinced that I have to work for my salvation and to keep on working or that salvation can be lost. I almost started a thread about this but it ties in with this thread so I'm just gonna ask this question here.
That sounds really religious and spiritual Stones. But who are the "Most" out there trying to obey Him? Mainstream Christianity is the greatest purveyor of disobedience to God's Law on the planet. This is a fact of life that can not be denied. If claiming to know Jesus and denying the instructions of God is the key to eternal life, then who is on the narrow path?
You actually believe that striving to do as Jesus instructs leads us AWAY from God. My goodness that sounds familiar.
Gen. 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat (disregard His Instructions) thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
And I am mixed up.
You actually believe that striving to do as Jesus instructs leads us AWAY from God. My goodness that sounds familiar.
Gen. 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat (disregard His Instructions) thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
And I am mixed up.
That Glitch was ONLY on FIREFOX, and I called there Tech Support,
and they wanted to charge me to fix their Glitch, so I went back to Chrome.
Ecclesiastes 1:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; there is nothing new under the sun.
Job 7:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] So am I allotted months of vanity, And nights of trouble are appointed me.
NO, I have an another option, I CAN CHANGE TO ANOTHER BROWSER.
and they wanted to charge me to fix their Glitch, so I went back to Chrome.
Ecclesiastes 1:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; there is nothing new under the sun.
Job 7:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] So am I allotted months of vanity, And nights of trouble are appointed me.
NO, I have an another option, I CAN CHANGE TO ANOTHER BROWSER.
That's patronizing...
All whom he has chosen because it is God working in them to do so; Philippians 2:12-15. I know you don't like that, you need someone to spiritually body slam.
I'm denying it because it is false. Lone ranger types like yourself are the gravest danger to sound doctrine and to the babes in Christ. That is a fact.
That statement is false, condescending and accusatory. Nowhere was that stated nor implied.
Agreed, and you are.
All whom he has chosen because it is God working in them to do so; Philippians 2:12-15. I know you don't like that, you need someone to spiritually body slam.
I'm denying it because it is false. Lone ranger types like yourself are the gravest danger to sound doctrine and to the babes in Christ. That is a fact.
That statement is false, condescending and accusatory. Nowhere was that stated nor implied.
Agreed, and you are.
You do stones a disservice.
She did not say that striving to do as Jesus instructs leads us away from God.
She said people try to obey God yet keep him at arms length so to speak.
You have totally taken what she has said, misconstrued it in order to post what you have. Which quite frankly shows that your mixed up.
I suggest you apologise.
Believers do try to obey God.
Yet some do so because they have been told/taught you must work in order for God to love you or accept you. Life's experiences can also add to this.
People do good in the hope that they are accepted but are very wary in case they get it wrong.
So they do good but at same time keep the person who they are trying to appease at arms length.
They do so because there is no relationship.
What does God foremost want from us?
Is it works or is it relationship?
Does he want works to appease him or works because we love him?
Did he created Adam and Eve to be appeased or for relationship?
Believe it or not there are believers who do keep God at arms length. They do works.
They do so because they do not want or fear that they will slapped up, slapped down and rejected one minute and accepted the next.
The Hokey Cokey dance comes to mind.
Obviously I'm mixed up as well.
Mainstream Chistianity is the greatest purveyor of disobedience to Gods law??
She did not say that striving to do as Jesus instructs leads us away from God.
She said people try to obey God yet keep him at arms length so to speak.
You have totally taken what she has said, misconstrued it in order to post what you have. Which quite frankly shows that your mixed up.
I suggest you apologise.
Believers do try to obey God.
Yet some do so because they have been told/taught you must work in order for God to love you or accept you. Life's experiences can also add to this.
People do good in the hope that they are accepted but are very wary in case they get it wrong.
So they do good but at same time keep the person who they are trying to appease at arms length.
They do so because there is no relationship.
What does God foremost want from us?
Is it works or is it relationship?
Does he want works to appease him or works because we love him?
Did he created Adam and Eve to be appeased or for relationship?
Believe it or not there are believers who do keep God at arms length. They do works.
They do so because they do not want or fear that they will slapped up, slapped down and rejected one minute and accepted the next.
The Hokey Cokey dance comes to mind.
Obviously I'm mixed up as well.
Mainstream Chistianity is the greatest purveyor of disobedience to Gods law??